Train!

[DOC]

The shooting didn't happen in Colorado.

I didn't what state he was referring to.

[Scanker19]

I'd be more worried about being mistaken for the shooter from other CCWers. That's a situation one should prepare for as well. Even if you don't shoot.

65yrd is a tough shot.

[Graves]

I'd be more worried about being mistaken for the shooter from other CCWers. That's a situation one should prepare for as well. Even if you don't shoot.

65yrd is a tough shot.

This is my biggest fear, the incident where an off duty LEO carrying a rifle was shot and killed on his way into the fight made me rethink a few things. Not everybody will be spot on when trying to determine who's who or even WTF's going on no less.

[Tweety Bird]

You can't fix stoopid.

[Tweety Bird]

I'd be more worried about being mistaken for the shooter from other CCWers. That's a situation one should prepare for as well. Even if you don't shoot.

65yrd is a tough shot.

This is my biggest fear, the incident where an off duty LEO carrying a rifle was shot and killed on his way into the fight made me rethink a few things. Not everybody will be spot on when trying to determine who's who or even WTF's going on no less.

http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40738

I tried to bring that up in June and got dumped on for it.

[Scanker19]

This is my biggest fear, the incident where an off duty LEO carrying a rifle was shot and killed on his way into the fight made me rethink a few things. Not everybody will be spot on when trying to determine who's who or even WTF's going on no less.

Exactly, even in a non-mass shooting. Say a guy pulls a knife on you and demands money, but when you draw on him and he surrenders. You should hold him until the Police arrive. Who's to say another CCWer won't draw on you thinking you a mad killer about to shoot up an IHOP?

It would be the classic shtick where the evil twin loses his identifying mark and the hero is forced to choose.

[Scanker19]

http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40738

I tried to bring that up in June and got dumped on for it.

I was just looking for that thread too. We (gun owners) would like to think that we are responsible and can make good decisions. The fact of the matter is that there is no IQ or education or mental function test (other than not being crazy) to posses a CCW. We's also like to think that LEOs and military are smart and can make good judgements as well, but if you think there are not stupid cops or soldiers then you have not been either. Cause the ASVAB isn't hard nor is a two year degree hard to obtain.

[cofi]

ok today i finally got a chance to try a 70 yard shot with my carry weapon(glock 30sf) and my carry loadout (24 rounds) against a man size steel target......
8 rounds in the chest
2 bounced up into legs off the ground
14 misses...........
thats 14 people that coulda been shot since that guys backstop was the restaurant......

that was me shooting satnding still with a target that was standing still not shooting at me i shoot way more then the average ccw holder since i do have a range in my backyard

[cstone]

that was me shooting satnding still with a target that was standing still not shooting at me i shoot way more then the average ccw holder since i do have a range in my backyard

You have a range in your backyard? I am jealous.

[sometimesright]

I don't post much and I'm coming a little late to the party on this thread but I have been following the discussion with with interest and thought I would just toss out an opinion since it seems to be a difficult question, to be sure. I agree with the OP's general premise that training is extremely important, especially if someone chooses to CCW. That decision comes with an incredible amount of responsibility and there may come a day that one will find oneself in a position in which they have no desire to be. That being said (importance of training) it is my humble opinion that I have to know my limitations. Trying to operate outside those limitations may have disastrous consequences for me and others. I guess all I'm saying here (let me again stress I am speaking only for me) is that training is important and Heaven Forbid I am ever put in a situation such as the one being discussed here; but if I am, I need to assess all possible information before acting (including my own limitations) and do whatever I can, when I can, within my ability. If I haven't trained enough to successfully handle that situation, that is something with which I'll have to live for the rest of my life and and is something which I sincerely hope to never experience.