Non-AR black rifles. Thoughts?

[ray1970]

I have decided that I want a military/tactical rifle that is not of the AR persuasion. Just wanted to get some thoughts and opinions from some of you who have such a thing. Not really looking for an AK either and would prefer it to be in a small caliber such as .223, 7.62x39, maybe 5.7x28 or 9mm. I don't want to spend the kind of money it takes to get an ACR or a SCAR or a FS2000. Some of the ones I was thinking of are the Sig 556, Vector 93, MSAR, PS90. What are some of my other options? I also like the looks of the VEPR in 7.62x39 even though I said I don't want an AK.

Thoughts? Thanks.

[02ducky]

This might seem dumb, but you ever thought about a mini 14? Lots of different calibire configs and you can tact them out.

Just my 2 cents

[leatherneck448]

Thought about an AR57 upper? Its only 700-800 bucks last I checked. It's chambered in 5.7x28, and takes P90 mags.

PS90 on the cheap?

EDIT, theyre listed at $599 on the interwebs. I guess just that much more affordability

[ray1970]

This might seem dumb, but you ever thought about a mini 14? Lots of different calibire configs and you can tact them out.

Just my 2 cents

Not really my thing. Besides, I want something that when I show up to shoot and pull it out not everyone at the range will have one. Nothing I could do with a mini-14 that one of my AR's won't do and magazines are way cheaper for the AR.

Thanks for the thought and opinion though, that's exactly what I wanted.

[ray1970]

Thought about an AR57 upper? Its only 700-800 bucks last I checked. It's chambered in 5.7x28, and takes P90 mags.

PS90 on the cheap?

Actually, I have given that some thought. I kind of forgot about that option now but I nearly bought one from Machine Gun Tours a while back.

Thanks.

[Bailey Guns]

Kel-Tec SU-16B/C. Inexpensive, compact, 5.56MM, gas piston, 4.5 pounds, takes any AR mag.

I have a B model. I keep it handy in the home.

[El Caballo Loco]

I'm in the same boat. I'd love to have an FN FNC (dreamin) but I've also been looking at Galils and FALs.

[Fentonite]

Speaking of KelTec, I think their bullpup .308 would be a hoot. I know you're looking for a smaller caliber, but check this out:
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifles/rfb/

I might need one.

[ray1970]

Speaking of KelTec, I think their bullpup .308 would be a hoot. I know you're looking for a smaller caliber, but check this out:
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifles/rfb/

I might need one.

The RFB is definitely pretty cool. Might be a little hard to find and a little out of my budget for now though.

Thanks.

[Fromk]

I got on this thread ready to recommend a fal until I saw the smaller caliber stipulation. HK's like SL8's and conversion kits are expensive. Then for some reason I started thinking another carbine route and I'm saying maybe check out a Kriss. It's a .45 acp that takes glock mags and is a pretty neat gun. I've played with the pistol version and they're very unique guns. I have no idea if that intrests you but it's a different way to go although still probably too pricey. There's also an MSAR. They're pretty cool and different as long as you're not a lefty.