$25 Prison Visit Fee. Am I wrong?

[Irving]

I don't know anyone in jail or prison, but just knowing someone that is incarcerated is not a reason to have retarded taxes or fees implied on you.

That's the same as saying anyone dumb enough to live or work in Denver deserves to pay a $25 toll each way.

I don't have a problem with a visitor fee on a private prison, or even a government one, but bullshit fees are bullshit fees. Maybe they could sell a season pass.

[sniper7]

Maybe they could sell a season pass.

or in some cases...do you think they can get a multi-family/person discount

[mcantar18c]

That's the same as saying anyone dumb enough to live or work in Denver deserves to pay a $25 toll each way.

I would fully support this


I've noticed you really like making analogies.

[Fentonite]

I pay taxes. Therefore, I already pay my "citizen's share" of the cost of incarcerating criminals. No problem, part of being in a society, and a good jail benefits all of society.

I don't see a problem with visitors paying for their own background check. When girlfriend goes to visit baby-daddy in jail, there's no societal benefit for which we should all pay. It's an optional, personal, glass-smearing moment between criminal and skank, and they should pay for it themselves.

Besides, I'd bet that the majority of jail visitors are actually net tax recipients, and haven't actually contributed one iota to the cost of providing shelter, food, clothing, rehabilitation, medical care, cable TV, gym equipment, etc. to their beloved convicts. They can at least pay for the background check that's required for their elective visit.

[Drilldov2.0]

I don't know anyone in jail or prison, but just knowing someone that is incarcerated is not a reason to have retarded taxes or fees implied on you.

That's the same as saying anyone dumb enough to live or work in Denver deserves to pay a $25 toll each way.

I don't have a problem with a visitor fee on a private prison, or even a government one, but bullshit fees are bullshit fees. Maybe they could sell a season pass.

Well no, it isn't. One is a crime which taxpayers pay for and one is a choice. It isn't a tax either btw. It is no different than having to pay to get into a amusement park. You don't want to pay? Don't go there.

[Guylee]

So in essence, if this policy results in delaying or diminishing or eliminating prison visitation for anyone, the state is shooting themselves in the foot in terms of rehabilitation,"

Anyone who believes that A) Our prisons are taking a rehabilitative approach or that B) It actually works anyway is in for a rude awakening.

[DD977GM2]

Anyone who believes that A) Our prisons are taking a rehabilitative approach or that B) It actually works anyway is in for a rude awakening.

I agree 100% with you, there are exceptions to the rule in some cases, I personally know 2 cases.

My Brother in law, good man, had a job right out of the gate and has steadily gone up the ladder there, is a Mason and is a good family man and husband.

One of my good buddies, he is a Production Manager for a stone veneer company and once he got out, he has worked his ass of and is a productive member of society and can depend on him for just about anything.

I used to work for the stone veneer company, they are right by a half way house and they pull a lot of labor from them since its walking distance for them I gave 5 guys a shot at being my forklift mechanic or mechanics helper ( I was stupidvisor for maintenance for a year) and I ended up firing all 5 within the first month and had to depend on my buddy mentioned above to help me on weekend with repairs when the plant was shut down. He was the batch maker at the time and I taught him a shitload and used it to move up in the company.

[Guylee]

I agree 100% with you, there are exceptions to the rule in some cases, I personally know 2 cases.

My Brother in law, good man, had a job right out of the gate and has steadily gone up the ladder there, is a Mason and is a good family man and husband.

One of my good buddies, he is a Production Manager for a stone veneer company and once he got out, he has worked his ass of and is a productive member of society and can depend on him for just about anything.

I used to work for the stone veneer company, they are right by a half way house and they pull a lot of labor from them since its walking distance for them I gave 5 guys a shot at being my forklift mechanic or mechanics helper ( I was stupidvisor for maintenance for a year) and I ended up firing all 5 within the first month and had to depend on my buddy mentioned above to help me on weekend with repairs when the plant was shut down. He was the batch maker at the time and I taught him a shitload and used it to move up in the company.

Oh sure there's exceptions to the rule, I know a few myself. But on the whole, the entire system is out of whack.

Anyway, don't mean to derail the thread. I just can't stand it when people refer to our prison system as "rehabilitative."

[jrdale84]

I disagree with it for multiple reasons. First, you are charging tax paying citizens to fund things the "fee" isnt for. Second just because someone is in prison doesn't give us the right to automatically assume they are evil people or "asshats" - I say this because if I put the same sort of "system" in place in something we all hold dear we would complain loudly. For example:

From now on to carry a firearm onto public land you will have to pay a $60 one time fee per year and additionally if you cross over state lines and return into the boundaries of Colorado you must again pay. This will ensure that those who own firearms after purchase continue to meet passing background checks. The money collected will pay not only for the $10 check but also the Boulder Rifle Club and help fund the Coloradoans Against Gun Violence & Ownership program.

Now everyone here would be quick to argue that its their second amendment right to carry a firearm however isnt it also a right to visit your family? The people being penalized here are not criminals, they are citizens like you and me.

[DD977GM2]

I disagree with it for multiple reasons. First, you are charging tax paying citizens to fund things the "fee" isnt for. Second just because someone is in prison doesn't give us the right to automatically assume they are evil people or "asshats" - I say this because if I put the same sort of "system" in place in something we all hold dear we would complain loudly. For example:

From now on to carry a firearm onto public land you will have to pay a $60 one time fee per year and additionally if you cross over state lines and return into the boundaries of Colorado you must again pay. This will ensure that those who own firearms after purchase continue to meet passing background checks. The money collected will pay not only for the $10 check but also the Boulder Rifle Club and help fund the Coloradoans Against Gun Violence & Ownership program.

Now everyone here would be quick to argue that its their second amendment right to carry a firearm however isnt it also a right to visit your family? The people being penalized here are not criminals, they are citizens like you and me.

As a gun owner though, 99.99% of us are law abiding citizens and have never done anything to be put into jail nor ever will. Kinda Aplles to oranges.

Charging the POS girlfriend to see her POS BF who robbed some convenience store and shot and paralyzed the shopkeeper over $80 doesnt have ANY RIGHTS IMHO, and to visit said POS, all should have to pay for his heinous act for $80.

Or some drug dealer caught on video "curbing" his competion and now doing 25 to life and his momma wants to visit, she needs to pay since she obviously didnt do a good enough job of raising her curbing son , who knows, maybe she was buy his dope he was selling.

I think it is a justified price for those wanting to visit any criminal.