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    the government does not need more money, no matter how much they whine that they do.

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    I pay taxes. Therefore, I already pay my "citizen's share" of the cost of incarcerating criminals. No problem, part of being in a society, and a good jail benefits all of society.

    I don't see a problem with visitors paying for their own background check. When girlfriend goes to visit baby-daddy in jail, there's no societal benefit for which we should all pay. It's an optional, personal, glass-smearing moment between criminal and skank, and they should pay for it themselves.

    Besides, I'd bet that the majority of jail visitors are actually net tax recipients, and haven't actually contributed one iota to the cost of providing shelter, food, clothing, rehabilitation, medical care, cable TV, gym equipment, etc. to their beloved convicts. They can at least pay for the background check that's required for their elective visit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    I don't know anyone in jail or prison, but just knowing someone that is incarcerated is not a reason to have retarded taxes or fees implied on you.

    That's the same as saying anyone dumb enough to live or work in Denver deserves to pay a $25 toll each way.

    I don't have a problem with a visitor fee on a private prison, or even a government one, but bullshit fees are bullshit fees. Maybe they could sell a season pass.
    Well no, it isn't. One is a crime which taxpayers pay for and one is a choice. It isn't a tax either btw. It is no different than having to pay to get into a amusement park. You don't want to pay? Don't go there.

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    Hell, I say charge them $50 bucks a pop.

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    Going to visit a prisoner is not a crime, it is a choice.
    "There are no finger prints under water."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    Going to visit a prisoner is not a crime, it is a choice.
    Nor is it a right...

    Like I said, I agree with the idea, just not so much with the use of funds.

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    So in essence, if this policy results in delaying or diminishing or eliminating prison visitation for anyone, the state is shooting themselves in the foot in terms of rehabilitation,"
    Anyone who believes that A) Our prisons are taking a rehabilitative approach or that B) It actually works anyway is in for a rude awakening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcantar18c View Post
    Nor is it a right...

    Like I said, I agree with the idea, just not so much with the use of funds.
    Define what is a right please.
    "There are no finger prints under water."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    Define what is a right please.
    Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
    Definitions and examples off the top of my head...

    Life: Right to live and to defend life... be it yours or others.
    -2A

    Liberty: Right to live and act as a free man.
    -1A
    -13A

    Pursuit of Happiness: Right to do as you please as long as you don't infringe upon the right's of others.
    -21A

    Right: Driving your car.
    Privilege: Driving your car on public roads.

    Right: Getting hammered.
    Privilege (that is not granted): Getting hammered, then driving your car on public roads.

    Right: Visiting other free men.
    Privilege: Visiting gov't proprty (i.e. prisoners... that is what they are after all).

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    Inmates are charged a certain amount each month for their cell, food and clothing from what I understand.
    Unfortunatly my BIL was in Fremont down near Canyon City for awhile for a really BS reason (another thread) and I gave him money as did my Dad and Sister to help pay for things there and also to pay for his fees there for being there.

    He worked in laundry I think and made something like $12.00 a month or every 2 weeks, I forget, after he paid his monthly room and board so to speak.

    Even when my Sis went and visited him, I still wouldnt be against this fee for her to visit him, but I think she visited him a dozen times in 4 years. I dont remember, just remember doing all I could to raise my nephew during that time.

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