Russian 'special' forces

[mutt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTkOgWx_bTc

This gave me a good chuckle. This has to be some propaganda film because if their SF guys really train like this, oh boy. Or real men in Russia do acrobatics and sissies worry about muzzle discipline. Babblefish translates the title to: 'Practical shooting in the 22th Special Forces Brigade'

[mcantar18c]

That's not sissy acrobatics. Training to fight comfortably from any position and being able to move to and from those positions fluidly is more important that you seem to think.
Try shooting with one hand. Try running while shooting with one hand. Try shooting with your weak hand as your strong hand. Try shooting with only your weak hand. Become ambidextrous with your pistol, your rifle, your movements, and train until you're comfortable doing so and fluid in your transitions. Then train some more.
You don't know what you don't know.

[Ronin13]

That's not sissy acrobatics. Training to fight comfortably from any position and being able to move to and from those positions fluidly is more important that you seem to think.
Try shooting with one hand. Try running while shooting with one hand. Try shooting with your weak hand as your strong hand. Try shooting with only your weak hand. Become ambidextrous with your pistol, your rifle, your movements, and train until you're comfortable doing so and fluid in your transitions. Then train some more.
You don't know what you don't know.

I have a video done by a former Spetnaz operator and he goes over the fluid motions to change your elevation, size of target, and really cool ways to manipulate the AK. I would have hated to see our boys go up against these guys, they were freaking amazing fighters, and it would be a very close match up. Really neat to see their fluid motions from running to prone with as little potential for injury and sound.

[mutt]

That's not sissy acrobatics. Training to fight comfortably from any position and being able to move to and from those positions fluidly is more important that you seem to think.
Try shooting with one hand. Try running while shooting with one hand. Try shooting with your weak hand as your strong hand. Try shooting with only your weak hand. Become ambidextrous with your pistol, your rifle, your movements, and train until you're comfortable doing so and fluid in your transitions. Then train some more.
You don't know what you don't know.

First off, I never said this was sissy acrobatics, though acrobatics should be used loosely here. I said muzzle control, in this video, was for sissies. Considering they continually point loaded weapons at each other, and at whatever is behind the firing line, shows there is nothing serious about this video other than the gross ignoring of basic firearms safety. And while practising fluid transitions to different positions is quite important, there is none of that here. This is a propaganda film to show the sheeple how uber-elite their military is, or it was done to impress some VIP who wanted to see 'fancy' gun handling. Cmon, rolling backwards or turning your back to the enemy, in the open, to reload? You're really going to take this serious? Whatever.

[SuperiorDG]

I don't understand why they turn their backs to the target to do a mag change. I understand the other stuff because that's how I train.

[Hoosier]

Cmon, rolling backwards or turning your back to the enemy, in the open, to reload? You're really going to take this serious? Whatever.

I got the impression the reloads were behind pretend cover. They were trying to show constant covering fire alternative between two guys. Which was funny because the tall guy couldn't get his magazine out easily. He also kept firing from the hip, which is no-go. The guy on the left seemed to be better at it.

H.

[Fromk]

I'm glad it takes those guys forever* and look kinda awkward reloading an AK, too. I don't feel so bad now. Pretty cool display of movement and trigger finger discipline.

*compared to reloading an AR

[mutt]

I got the impression the reloads were behind pretend cover. They were trying to show constant covering fire alternative between two guys. Which was funny because the tall guy couldn't get his magazine out easily. He also kept firing from the hip, which is no-go. The guy on the left seemed to be better at it.

H.

Even so, why would you ever turn your back to the enemy while reloading? Don't you always want to keep your eyes on the bad guys as much as possible? This all looked horribly choreographed to me.

[Ronin13]

First off, I never said this was sissy acrobatics, though acrobatics should be used loosely here. I said muzzle control, in this video, was for sissies. Considering they continually point loaded weapons at each other, and at whatever is behind the firing line, shows there is nothing serious about this video other than the gross ignoring of basic firearms safety. And while practising fluid transitions to different positions is quite important, there is none of that here. This is a propaganda film to show the sheeple how uber-elite their military is, or it was done to impress some VIP who wanted to see 'fancy' gun handling. Cmon, rolling backwards or turning your back to the enemy, in the open, to reload? You're really going to take this serious? Whatever.

I'm sure the Spetznaz vets will argue that they know more about weapons safety and how to use them than you ever will. That demo is actually pretty close to what I was shown by a fmr spetznaz. They will say that "it okay to point kalashnikov at partner because true warrior know to control weapon so it fire only when you want it to."

[spyder]

So you guys think that every or even most soldiers in the US in the heat of combat never ever point their rifle at another while moving from one spot to another? Please tell me you're not that ignorant.