Swagler's Challenge

[cstone]

Based on some recent discussion on the board, I would like to see if there is any interest in a little informal match for bragging rights only.

Here is what I am proposing: A 65 yard silhouette match set up at Pawnee Grasslands to take place on Saturday, September 24, 2011, beginning at 9:00 AM.

At a range of 65 yards and in your normal every day carry configuration; at the command to fire, you will draw and fire all rounds as quickly as possible. No reloads, no alibis, no movement or shooting other than from a standing position.

Targets will be PPC silhouettes with normal points as marked on the targets (5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0). Ties will be decided by the fastest time. There is no time limit to fire all rounds.

-5 points for a miss on the target
-10 points for miss not on the target

Is there any interest out there for this?

[cstone]

Byte just mentioned that the Tanner Gun Show is that weekend. Any other dates available? Since I don't normally go to gun shows, I may go up to Pawnee next weekend anyway just to see what I can put on paper.

Any other locations anyone would like to suggest?

I'm also not opposed to other courses of fire. Personally, I would rather see something that engages each of us as we currently carry. I don't really see any point in watching lots of ammunition and guns that are never or could never be carried on a daily basis used to show what great bench rest shooters they are. Everyone carries differently and probably does not always carry the exact same thing every day. There are days when I have an extra magazine and there are days when all I have is what is in the gun. Even if I had an extra magazine, and I engaged a target at 65 yards, I would not reload my last magazine and continue to engage a target that I had not already stopped. That would leave me empty when the fight came within my normal shooting distance.

I'm also concerned about setting time limits. I would rather hit the target in 10 seconds rather than miss it completely in 2 seconds.

If no one is interested, I completely understand. Even if I were to shoot perfect scores at 65 yards (no worries because that doesn't happen at 25 yards) I still wouldn't engage targets on the street at that distance. I don't see this exercise as any kind of proof of ability. It is a static course to show each shooter what happens when they push themselves outside of their normal training. It also would be nice to do it as a group so that we can at least say on a given day, who can walk the walk, as well as they talk the talk.

[Irving]

I'm unavailable that day, but it sure sounds fun.

[Great-Kazoo]

I already posted this in the GD Pistol challenge thread.

We should only be allowed to get off 2 maybe 3 tops. The scenario while shooting at a target, does not have it shooting back at us. Therefore A SET Number Of Rounds should be the norm. Anyone can dump 7-17 rounds down range, not everyone would be doing a full mag dump at a target that in real life be returning fire.
Having a timer also proves nothing again in Real Life we are not shooting against a clock, would be shooting for our and someone else's life.

I do think the extra targets should be set up. not so much for multiple shooters, more to be utilized as civilians. They could be close enough to the target width wise, set back say another 10 yards? this way we can see for those shooting a full mag how many counts of manslaughter you would be charged with.

No matter what everyone agrees to i will do 2 rounds, as that is what i feel at a long distance you would have a chance to shoot before the aggressor turned their gun on you.

I will also bring a tape measure for those who think this should be a dick measuring contest.

Either way contact me as i am in. cannot make it an all day event.

[trlcavscout]

I would be in but I work saturdays. Sun/mon/tue I would be in!

[cstone]

How about three strings of fire:

String 1:

65 yards, standing, from the holster, three rounds, no time limit but timed for any ties on points.

String 2:

65 yards, standing, from the holster, all rounds fired, no reloads or alibis, no time limit but timed for ties on points.

String 3:

65 yards, from standing and holstered, draw and assume any position (standing, sitting, kneeling, prone), all rounds fired, no reload or alibis, no time limit but timed for ties on points.

I am also looking to identify a good location at Pawnee. I normally shoot at the old missle site if anyone is familiar with that.

I will plan on getting there as close to 8:00 AM as possible. I will set up three target stands. One shoot, two "no shoots." Still thinking points as marked on the target and -5 for miss on target, -10 for miss off target, and maybe -20 for hits on "no shoot" targets. I am already seeing negative scores for this course

If anyone has a better location in mind, please post it. I am also open to all suggestions. No need to reply whether you are coming or not on Saturday. There is no cost to shoot. I will supply targets, stands and cardboard. You have to show up with what you are shooting, and again just to be clear, this is meant for what you carry everyday, or would if you could. I will have a sign-in on hand so that I can distribute results (not required), and would like to start shooting by 9:00 AM.

If you don't have a regular everyday carry but a reasonable pistol (no Contenders or AR pistols, etc...) you can shoot from the low ready with a 3 or 5 second penalty (to be decided at the match) added to your time.

Anyone who can provide tape measures, range finders, or PACT timers would be appreciated.

This is informal and should be fun. I am looking forward to seeing some of you out there. If it goes off well, I'm sure we could do it again for those who are not able to make it.

[Great-Kazoo]

I have located my range finder and will be there saturday.

[Mick-Boy]

Too far north for me. You fellas have fun.

[Byte Stryke]

I know of at least 4 that wont be there due to Tanner

[Great-Kazoo]

I know of at least 4 that wont be there due to Tanner

They can't go to tanner on sunday? I would like those who said they can hit the 100 yds target, consistently or willing to take the shot and hit the target be present. Perhaps a second go round the following weekend.
I belong to a private range out east of here, west of pawnee. Only allowed a few "guest" per visit, if some one would like to do 100yd steel targets week day afternoons.
Where's the guy who got this ball rolling, hope he's going. I know a few folks can do the challenge 9/10 times, it would be interesting if some of them are not identifying themself as board members, you know who you are