Wow....just wow...

[Bailey Guns]

There is supposed to be a huge denial of service web attack against wall street companies.

[Zundfolge]

The recording says something will happen on October 10th, 2011. I guess we'll wait and see.

HAHA ... dumbasses are going to plan some sort of direct action when nobody is there (Columbus Day) HA HA HA!

[roberth]

HAHA ... dumbasses are going to plan some sort of direct action when nobody is there (Columbus Day) HA HA HA!

They must have a day off from school, just like an 8 year old girl.

[Ronin13]

Pretty sure the title says, "Proposed List Of Demands" in a pretty large font at the top. Also this is one voice in what appears to be a more or less leaderless movement... just like other internet groups, the idea of something existing without leadership (and thus without any coherent or unified list of demaneds) is difficult for people to grasp.

Almost all of what's here is utopian pipe dreams, except:



Wish we'd spent a trillion on infrastructure instead of Iraq.

H.

Just FYI- the money spent on Iraq and Afghanistan is only 1/5th of what Obama has spent in his first 2 years in office... the Wars in Iraq/Afg are at $1T as of FY2010, for 10 years? that's not bad. And at recent estimates it's going to cost anywhere from $1.3-1.9 TRILLION over the next 6 years to fix our crumbling infrastructure... The wars still don't match that.

[Hoosier]

Just FYI- the money spent on Iraq and Afghanistan is only 1/5th of what Obama has spent in his first 2 years in office... the Wars in Iraq/Afg are at $1T as of FY2010, for 10 years? that's not bad. And at recent estimates it's going to cost anywhere from $1.3-1.9 TRILLION over the next 6 years to fix our crumbling infrastructure... The wars still don't match that.

Your definition of "not bad" and mine clearly are not the same...

So no, the wars don't quite cover our expensive to rebuild infrastructure... only 50 to 70% of it.

H.

[Zundfolge]

Most infrastructure in this country is the responsibility of the States, not the Federal Government.

But we abandoned Federalism long ago so whatever.

[Ronin13]

Your definition of "not bad" and mine clearly are not the same...

So no, the wars don't quite cover our expensive to rebuild infrastructure... only 50 to 70% of it.

H.

Seeing as how I've seen the books for just one battalion (including Garrison and Deployment for 12 months each)- $1 Trillion for 10 years of active hostilities- which covers a lot of shit: Food, clothing, ammo, vehicles (both mil and civ), parts, mechanical equipment, computer equipment, base defense, contractors pay, contracting fees, services, water, trucking, mil heavy equipment, and fuel... which we won't even factor in hazard pay, overseas duty pay, and soldier base pay- for one BN that's a lot of money for one year, but I still say money well spent because if we were short changed in any of those areas life would have gotten hard fast, especially the first 7. And I back my brothers and sisters up 100% that are still over there fighting.

[Hoosier]

Seeing as how I've seen the books for just one battalion (including Garrison and Deployment for 12 months each)- $1 Trillion for 10 years of active hostilities- which covers a lot of shit: Food, clothing, ammo, vehicles (both mil and civ), parts, mechanical equipment, computer equipment, base defense, contractors pay, contracting fees, services, water, trucking, mil heavy equipment, and fuel... which we won't even factor in hazard pay, overseas duty pay, and soldier base pay- for one BN that's a lot of money for one year, but I still say money well spent because if we were short changed in any of those areas life would have gotten hard fast, especially the first 7. And I back my brothers and sisters up 100% that are still over there fighting.

My point was more that American citizens would have gotten a lot more mileage out of infrastructure than our foray into nation building in a country with the political fault lines Iraq has.

Also, as you're obviously ex-mil and have seen books, what do you think about what the government spends on contractors vs. what it spends on providing services in-house. Do you think that the continued reliance on PMC's is a good thing for our armed forces? Do you think the citizens of this country get better value for their money from Triple Canopy than we would a infantry battalion?

Or is it a case of some things good, some things bad, and the system could be / is likely to be cleaned up in the future?

Genuine question, I have heard we overpay, but the argument could be made that we don't have to pay PMC's during "peace" time.

H.

[cebeu]

Sittin' in their own poop and trash..."smells" like progress I'm sure.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/07...reet-protests/

[Byte Stryke]

My point was more that American citizens would have gotten a lot more mileage out of infrastructure than our foray into nation building in a country with the political fault lines Iraq has.

Also, as you're obviously ex-mil and have seen books, what do you think about what the government spends on contractors vs. what it spends on providing services in-house. Do you think that the continued reliance on PMC's is a good thing for our armed forces? Do you think the citizens of this country get better value for their money from Triple Canopy than we would a infantry battalion?

Or is it a case of some things good, some things bad, and the system could be / is likely to be cleaned up in the future?

Genuine question, I have heard we overpay, but the argument could be made that we don't have to pay PMC's during "peace" time.

H.

Personally, I believe its a mixed bag.

Yes, Military armed operations should be primarily handled by the Mil.
Now, Security should be handled by a hybrid force of civilians overseen by mil.
Nothing says suck like coming back from patrol to stand guard...

Higher technologies also... you aren't going to find a Pfc with a BS in computer sciences, Certifications to deploy for 36 month terms in a combat zone for 28K a year...


I do agree with the need to downscale the combat roles of the contractor.

but as our technologies accelerate, the soldiers will simply not be able to keep up on the requirements under the current benefit/pay.



as far as the money, I won't get into our need to go into Iraq.
But I do believe we could have done with the money we shipped them for their infrastructure.