Trading Post rant...

[sneakerd]

Yeah- what he said!!

[alan0269]

When someone has something for TRADE ONLY, it'd really be nice if they would at least place an approximate value on their item so if we are interested in their item, we could see what we may have available of at least a close comparable trade value.

Agreed, but in the most recent instance I was talking about, I was looking to trade a Glock 26 for a Glock 19. I really don't think that a value needs to be placed on that one. Both are comparable value and I provided plenty of pictures showing the condition of my item.

The frustration that I expressed is not from a one time incident, but rather from a few different recent experiences. Some of the a__hats involved have been newer members, while others have been more "experienced" members. Personally, I don't care any longer if there is an area on the site for selling/trading items as there are other places available that are there just for that purpose. I've really enjoyed this site over the last couple years, but I'm not going to let frustration caused by a few make it to where I don't want to spend time here, hence my decision.

As for the comment that I don't have enough posts to be frustrated, think what you want. I could boost my post count by posting rediculous crap that doesn't really matter to anybody or add the constant +1 posts that are seen on threads, but I choose not to. If I open a thread and have something to add to it, I will, but otherwise if what I'm thinking has already been stated, I don't see the constant need to always repost exactly what someone else said. I also don't see the need to post in a thread that has nothing to do with me just to boost my post count and voice my opinion on something that doesn't mean anything to me. If I have something to say, I will. Otherwise I just move on.

[jerrymrc]

Missing the point. It's the exclusionary aspect of it. Don't think it can be said that newb's are the only ones not following the rules, but that's the perception we are creating. From the perspective of an outsider looking in, that could be construed as elitism. I know this is not an elitist group, but perception can be reality. Put yourself in their shoes. Forget everything you know about this site and many of the fine members and ask yourself if you would want to join in.

I just think it's the wrong approach, but I've been wrong before & will most definitly be again. Just my 2 cents.

You are right. It is not just the noobs that make the mistake. If I take every rule about posting in the WTS and through it out the window and only use the rules from other gun boards (with WTS areas) that I am a member on and some for much longer than this one I am still good to go.

The only rule a couple do not have is a location and since they are nation and some world wide the first question that gets asked is "Where the hell are you?" I have bought and sold gun parts all over the world.

Even when we move out of the firearm world every board that has a WTS section has damn near the same thing. Rules from a non-gun forum;

2. As a subscriber you may not bypass vendor rules. Vendors should keep their listings in the vendors forum.

3. allows auctions for its benefit and for charities it sponsors. No other auctions are permitted, including links to auction sites.

4. The sale of items for others is not allowed.

5. State a price for your item(s). Including an "Or Best Offer" option is also acceptable with a stated price as a starting point.

6. Stay on topic. "Bumping" a thread, or posting encouraging words, is allowed. However, please refrain from criticism of the seller, the asking price, or the product being offered. Bumping by the OP should be within reason, limited to at least 48 hours between "bumps".

7. XX is for buying, selling, trading and wanted-to-buy threads only. It is not for feedback of buyers/sellers, value questions or "feeler" threads. XX has established forums for feedback and value questions, and ''feeler" threads don't belong anywhere on XX

8. No linking to your items for sale, in any other part of the forum.

9.XX is not involved in your deal, any more than a newspaper is in a classified ad. XX makes no warranties of any kind, and payment of any taxes that might be owed to any government is the responsibility of buyer and seller, and never of XX.

Not to sound too negative here but unless you live under a rock and have only dealt with Craigslist almost ANY forum of ANY kind on the net has the same basic rules and yet they were tossed out like old garbage and that they did not apply.

When we used to get one a week it was fine. when they got to be 5-6 a day it was stupid. Our old way of being nice and having the time to PM and reply and hold someones hand through a very simple process broke down.

We were short on Mods and many of us were working, going TDY, being called up and for one being put in jail. (don't ask, it was a long time ago)

I am trying to give a few some idea of where we were and then what happened. Just as many do not understand what we have been going through we do value your input. That is why I am typing this.

Many asked for a time requirement VS a post count. We listened and you now have a little of both. In the end Many felt to not make the bar too high.In the end the members won out. We knew something had to be done because watching from this side of the fence as a new member furiously types dribble into the Boost your post count section and the next stop is the WTS section (he did not read all the rules anyway and his ad was canned) The other side of the coin was to just do away with the whole WTS area.

I hope this give you a little more insight.

Jerry

[ray1970]

Now if there was only way a for us to make a rule that says if you post something for sale, you also must be willing to respond to posts and PM's in a timely fashion.

I mean WTF, more then 24 hours and no response? If I post something for sale, which I've yet to do here but do lots of elsewhere, and someone asks a question or requests more info I'm Johnny on the spot with a response. (especially if someone says they want to buy my item)

While I can agree with you in theory, I am also understanding of the fact that not everyone on here has access to the site around the clock. Some people have jobs, social lives, and occasional unexpected events that might keep them off the computer for a day or two or more. So, while getting a prompt reply is always nice, I am also patient if I don't receive one in what I consider a "timely" manner.

[sroz]

Btw.

Graves/Ray1970 - I think your affordable Neon just got posted in the Non-Firearms forum.

[BlasterBob]

Agreed, but in the most recent instance I was talking about, I was looking to trade a Glock 26 for a Glock 19. I really don't think that a value needs to be placed on that one. Both are comparable value and I provided plenty of pictures showing the condition of my item.

What I said was not meant to apply to even trades/swaps where the ad states exactly what they wanted to trade for and both items are of the same value.