Proof that CCW holders live in a dream world

[clublights]

I also counter with this



Shows what happens in the real world.. not in a set up to fail environment.

[SonOfTheGriz]

I watched that special the night it aired, and it made me sick. I wanted to reach through the TV and slap the "investigative reporters" and have serious conversation with the police officers in the room - mainly to ask them why in hell they'd ever agree to take part (even though I know there are LEOs who look down on civilian concealed carry).

There were so many problems with that "study" that anyone who lives in our world can (and did) immediately call BULLSHIT. What we really need is an industry-supported rebuttal of that show and a challenge that would test military, police, trained, and untrained civilian "carriers" in a truly objective manner.

If there's anything we can take away from that (short-bus) special as armed citizens, it seems to be:

* Train as much as you can
* Practice often - dry and live fire
* Pay attention to your surroundings
* Have a plan, don't live in White
* If you have to fight, fight to win and get your head right


Sorry for soap-boxing... that show gets me going

[Elhuero]

you can't draw in time

you don't have the training

it will be taken and used against you

better to run, hide, play dead

even police can't win, and they are trained and far more capable than you will ever be




GUN GRABBER LOGIC

[tmleadr03]

That was fair and balanced wasn't it?

[SouthPaw]

I was really kind of amazed how one sided the video was. Who would not feel comfrontable with 10 minutes of training, a gigantic shirt, huge mechanic gloves and the "shooter" always knowing where you going to be. Seems pretty fair to me?

On a side note I did get a good laugh at the guy the keeps fidgeting around with the gun and tells the person next to him "I am going to tell you just because you are sitting next to me that I have a gun...."

[TEAMRICO]

I was really kind of amazed how unbiased the video was. Who would not feel contactable with 10 minutes of training, a gigantic shirt, huge mechanic gloves and the "shooter" always knowing where you going to be. Seems pretty fair to me?

On a side note I did get a good laugh at the guy the keeps fidgeting around with the gun and tells the person next to him "I am going to tell you just because you are sitting next to me that I have a gun...."

I do it all the time....when I get out in public and someone get close to me I just whisper those words then point to the buldge in my pants.....err side on my hip.

[Eggysrun]

And this is why when you carry conceal you don't just carry the right firearm, but the proper equipment i.e: holster, belt, etc.

I think the training and muscle memory is a valid point they vaguely bring up in the video, but it's kinda hard to be objective myself because I have a lot of military training and experience shooting at the bad guys under stress. Stress fire training I think would be a great option at least for folks wanting to get a CCW. I wish we had some ranges out here for civilians that offered that kind of stuff, because stuff like this does become persishable

[Seamonkey]

I'd like to see a do over with Travis Haley and Chris Costa in the room.

Let's see that one

[Mick-Boy]

Stress fire training I think would be a great option at least for folks wanting to get a CCW. I wish we had some ranges out here for civilians that offered that kind of stuff, because stuff like this does become persishable

What kind of training are you looking for? There is a thread here about some training options.

[TFOGGER]

How about they take a graduate of Front Sight in a RANDOM seat, and rerun the scenario. With the BG played by someone other than a police firearms/tactics instructor. But that wouldn't let them tell everyone that "guns 'r bad, mmmmmkay".