Another list of OWS "demands"

[Hoosier]

This is yet another different group, claiming only to speak for themselves as part of the OWS stuff -- and is much closer to the crazy first stuff that came out.

We need to retake the freedom that has been stolen from the people, altogether.

1. If you agree that freedom is the right to communicate, to live, to be, to go, to love, to do what you will without the impositions of others, then you might be one of us.
2. If you agree that a person is entitled to the sweat of their brows, that being talented at management should not entitle others to act like overseers and overlords, that all workers should have the right to engage in decisions, democratically, then you might be one of us.
3. If you agree that freedom for some is not the same as freedom for all, and that freedom for all is the only true freedom, then you might be one of us.
4. If you agree that power is not right, that life trumps property, then you might be one of us.
5. If you agree that state and corporation are merely two sides of the same oppressive power structure, if you realize how media distorts things to preserve it, how it pits the people against the people to remain in power, then you might be one of us.

1. If you agree that freedom is the right to communicate, to live, to be, to go, to love, to do what you will AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT MATERIALLY HARM ANOTHER ADULT WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT without the impositions of others, then you might be one of us.

2. Absolutely no. I thought Zund was being paranoid saying Ayn Rand was prophetic until I read that. When you force a company to try and operate as a democracy, I'm out. I hear Belize is wonderful this time of year, and I think my Jeep will get me there.

3. If you use my definition of freedom from #1, then yes it should apply to everyone.

4. Uh, power is not right? What? Life trumps property, too vague to say I agree with that.

5. They got one mostly right... corporations or government are not inherently oppressive, only when they're allowed to corrupt each other.

And so we call on people to act

1. We call for protests to remain active in the cities. Those already there, to grow, to organize, to raise consciousnesses, for those cities where there are no protests, for protests to organize and disrupt the system.
2. We call for workers to not only strike, but seize their workplaces collectively, and to organize them democratically. We call for students and teachers to act together, to teach democracy, not merely the teachers to the students, but the students to the teachers. To seize the classrooms and free minds together.
3. We call for the unemployed to volunteer, to learn, to teach, to use what skills they have to support themselves as part of the revolting people as a community.
4. We call for the organization of people's assemblies in every city, every public square, every township.
5. We call for the seizure and use of abandoned buildings, of abandoned land, of every property seized and abandoned by speculators, for the people, for every group that will organize them.

1. They were alright until they got to "disrupt the system". Camping in a park, let the First Amendment trump loitering laws. Materially harming other people by preventing them from working or going about their business? Bzzzzt fail.

2. ABSOLUTELY NO, if this is enforced by the government it's revolution time.

3. Voluntarily? Sounds great.

4. It's a fine line between mob and democracy. If such an assembly feels it should have authority, that is to say power, without operating under the guidelines of the Constitution, then it's a non-starter. All power derives from the end of a barrel of a gun, and if they feel entitled to that power, stuff will get ugly.

5. Ah no, abandoned does not mean someone else doesn't own it.

All in all, I'd say they're right on about 1.5 out of 10 items. This is vastly different than the list calling for things like the return to commercial banks, investment banks, and insurance companies to once again not be allowed as a single entity.

Why is it always the extremists who the spotlight?

H.

[Guylee]

If you agree that power is not right, that life trumps property, then you might be one of us.

Wait wait wait...does that mean what I think it means?

Also...another question...I haven't really been following this other than what I hear from you guys, but is anyone actually paying attention to these people? Like the gonvernment or big business?

[Hoosier]

Wait wait wait...does that mean what I think it means?

Also...another question...I haven't really been following this other than what I hear from you guys, but is anyone actually paying attention to these people? Like the gonvernment or big business?

I don't know what that one means, without some more specific information it's pretty pointless a statement.

You can bet that politicians will begin to pander to them if the numbers continue to swell, just as they did with the Tea Party. If you tell a politician he can tell some easy lies and get a lot of voters, they'll shake hands and kiss babies all day long.

Hell, Romney already said "he's with the 99%". Count on Obama trying to rally them for his 2012 bid.

H.

[Sharpienads]

Wait wait wait...does that mean what I think it means?

Also...another question...I haven't really been following this other than what I hear from you guys, but is anyone actually paying attention to these people? Like the gonvernment or big business?

You keep using that word... I don not think it means what you think it means...

I don't pay attention to dirty, smelly, nasty hippies. There's a special place in hell reserved for hippies.

[Mick-Boy]

For some reason this keeps running through my head every time one of those idiots opens their mouth.

[Elhuero]

For some reason this keeps running through my head every time one of those idiots opens their mouth.

that's great. linked me to this


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[Guylee]

You keep using that word... I don not think it means what you think it means...

I don't pay attention to dirty, smelly, nasty hippies. There's a special place in hell reserved for hippies.

What word?

[Atrain1]

You keep using that word... I don not think it means what you think it means...

I don't pay attention to dirty, smelly, nasty hippies. There's a special place in hell reserved for hippies.

inconceivable

[Ronin13]

Wait wait wait...does that mean what I think it means?

Yes, their lives are more important than your property... give it up now, or face the consequences!

Zombie Crawl and Occupy Denver both taking place on Sat... Great! Denver is going to be overrun with 2 species of Zombies. Can we lock and load now?

[Combatmatt]

Wait, you need to translate those "demands" from hippineese to normal english;

1. We call for protests to remain active in the cities. Those already there, to grow, to organize, to raise consciousnesses, for those cities where there are no protests, for protests to organize and disrupt the system.

Hey man, on your way to pick up more placards and markers can you pick up some more weed. If we have more weed we can attract more patchouli smelling usses and start an even bigger drum circle. Then we can change the world man, the w-h-o-l-e w-o-o-o-o-o-r-l-d.

2. We call for workers to not only strike, but seize their workplaces collectively, and to organize them democratically. We call for students and teachers to act together, to teach democracy, not merely the teachers to the students, but the students to the teachers. To seize the classrooms and free minds together.

Bro, it takes a villiage to raise an idiot, i mean a child. Everybody should like, get together, and like, try to love each other. And then we should all wear tshirts with that mexican guy on them, you know, that famous guy with the beret that fought capitalism like, a long time ago. Hes really popular, we should get him to teach teachers about democracy and stuff.

3. We call for the unemployed to volunteer, to learn, to teach, to use what skills they have to support themselves as part of the revolting people as a community.

Hey, dudes. Does anyone know how to like, do stuff? We need to teach hydorponics and stuff, and like, how to better optimize our iPods, and update facebook faster, so WE can show the CORPORATIONS that we're not puppets.

4. We call for the organization of people's assemblies in every city, every public square, every township.

We need to find more people to stand around with so we can all skip work and bitch about not working and smoke more weed, that way we can all talk about capitalism being bad and smoke more weed. Hey, does anybody have any weed?

5. We call for the seizure and use of abandoned buildings, of abandoned land, of every property seized and abandoned by speculators, for the people, for every group that will organize them.

-Sorry i dont know what this means, it sounds alot like "crap crap crap crap, whine whine whine, crap crap, socialism is awesome I love lenin hey check out my tattoo of that mexican guy in the beret. Whats a Che?"

Sorry, thats the best I can do with the translation, my hippaneese is a little rusty. I dont work on it as much as I should because every time I talk to a hippy can only last a few minutes before I smack the patchouli out of the useless, bottomfeeding, whining, stinking, socialist with a shovel or nearest blunt object.

Hope that helps.
-Matt