What Am I Missing? - Israel and Hamas (Palestinians)

[alxone]

OK so here's a question. Let's play to the assumption that it is black and white.

What should Israel do? How do they ensure their own peace and prosperity?

d*mn i wish i could type better but ill give it a shot

if not give back some of the land that was taken at least have an open agriculture program using those lands in question

try some real peace talks without the preconceived notion of failure

i bet if they just started there things would start progressing .
the real problem with that part of the world is it considered holy land by d*mn near everyone so they all feel as if they are chosen and have the right to inflict not only political but religious views . you can never have peace when everyone feels that they are right and has god on there side.

[CMP_5.56]

Look at Israels past....they always win. They are the chosen people...I'd want them on my side.

There is a lot of truth to this statement. When an entire race of people beleive they can not be defeated, they won't be. I don't agree with the tactics of either side, and I dont support this conflict in anyway. I dont care if we work with both aides, but we better be aware of how things may go if we ever turn our back on Israel.

[86k10]

Look at Israels past....they always win. They are the chosen people...I'd want them on my side.

If Jews are gods chosen people are we non-Jews second class people in his eyes?

I don't get the "chosen people" thing.

[roberth]

If Jews are gods chosen people are we non-Jews second class people in his eyes?

I don't get the "chosen people" thing.

The 'chosen people' thing is from the Old Testament and I don't really know what it means, only where it originates. The 'chosen people' thing is no longer relevant after the crucifixion of Jesus Christ in the New Testament, all the Gentiles (all men) become 'the chosen' after that event.

[mevshooter]

The 'chosen people' thing is from the Old Testament and I don't really know what it means, only where it originates. The 'chosen people' thing is no longer relevant after the crucifixion of Jesus Christ in the New Testament, all the Gentiles (all men) become 'the chosen' after that event.

But in Revelation, John goes on to talk about that Israel's enemies will attack from the north and God will protect them with fire/brimstone from the sky.

It doesn't become irrelevant, but I agree with you on the point that it is no longer an "exclusive" club. Jesus said in the New Testament that He did not come to UNDO the Old Covenant, but to fulfill it. So it is a matter of both yes and no.

that video is well worth the time it takes to watch.

they don't want to live in peace. they don't want their own country.

they want to exterminate the jews.

And THAT'S the deciding factor for me when considered without my Christian bias towards Israel.

When I remove that aspect of my perspective, I still can't get behind Palestine.

[roberth]

But in Revelation, John goes on to talk about that Israel's enemies will attack from the north and God will protect them with fire/brimstone from the sky.

It doesn't become irrelevant, but I agree with you on the point that it is no longer an "exclusive" club. Jesus said in the New Testament that He did not come to UNDO the Old Covenant, but to fulfill it. So it is a matter of both yes and no.

You're correct, irrelevant is the wrong. The club becomes inclusive vs exclusive.

And THAT'S the deciding factor for me when considered without my Christian bias towards Israel.

When I remove that aspect of my perspective, I still can't get behind Palestine.

This is a list of rocket attacks by the Palestinians on Israel for 2011. The source is Wikipedia, go figure. I wonder why the US new media failed to report these with all the bluster that an Israeli counterattack gets. Hmmmmm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...n_Israel,_2011

[PSS]

If you believe that someday you will stand before a power who will judge you according to your actions, then there is absolute right and wrong that will be dictated by whoever judges you. If you don't believe that then do whatever you want. Use whatever philosophy or intellectual reasoning that will justify yourself. I would say the latter view is prevalent in humans based upon their actions.

I personally believe I will stand in judgement. And it has been a safe guide to me, making my life better. My personal belief is that it doesn't matter what perspective you have, or what is written in the history books. It doesn't matter what popular opinion says happened. Right and wrong are absolutes. Nobody rapes, kills without cause, or steals and remains innocent. Regardless of perspective. They may escape punishment in this life, may have books written in their honor, and enjoy honor from like minded people but they will be judged according to their deeds.

How's that for an extremely narrow and naive view. Works for me. If you violate the natural laws set before us and don't find a way to reconcile with the power that will judge you, you deserve to burn in hell. And I'd hate to find out what it would take for people like Hitler, Manson, Stalin ect. to find forgiveness.

(puts soapbox away)

[spaceCADETzoom]

I'm not sure playing up 35F AIT (amounting to a wide knowledge of terrorism) is a display of intellectual honesty. That is, unless we call Bradley Manning an intellectual because of his training.

Rereading this post, I apologize if this was snarky. I just think Mick brought up some very interesting questions that have been sidestepped with a bait and switch on ambiguous qualifications.

[roberth]

I'm still thinking about the Balfour Declaration, all the associated agreements and whether or not is was the right thing to do.

I'm trying to figure out the motivating factors for the British and French, why would they want to do this.

[alxone]

I'm trying to figure out the motivating factors for the British and French, why would they want to do this.

i could go into detail but the short answer is guilt . promises made after ww1 were not held and then after ww2 everyone felt real sh*ty . france then went to war with indochina (vietnam) to help rebuild and the brits tried not to starve as they rebuilt .

the problem is that its not cut and dry or black and white , at this point both sides have committed some many wrongs that making some rights are gonna take a lot of pride swallowing on both sides .