What Am I Missing? - Israel and Hamas (Palestinians)

[DeusExMachina]

Terrorism, by definition, is an act against non-combatants. Never heard of Washington or and other patriot blowing up Torries to cause terror or fear. Lexington and Concord were Minutemen vs. Redcoats, Cowpens- ditto, Bunker Hill- same thing.

What Zionist groups did to help gain independence were terrorist acts. Israelis have never denied what they did. Zionist terrorists targeted everyone- Brits, Arabs, Jews, and the UN. Even Einstein spoke out against these acts. I can see how when one is forced to the brink of extinction...you gotta do what you gotta do. Example- a woman going to the gas chamber attacked a German officer, got his pistol, and shot him dead. She murdered the Kunt German plain and simple but she did it for a purpose. This incident really happened...think it was Auschwitz. Jews were pushed to their limit. In no way have the Palestinians been treated in a similar fashion. Seizing land, bulldozing homes is a bit different than extermination camps. Their own brother Muslims don't give a rats ass about them.

The term was invented during the Frog Revolution- when they whacked 100,000 of their own citizens- referred to State organized terror.

Where did you get that definition? The definition of terrorism is the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. Nothing about "innocents", which again, is an ambiguous term. The non-combatants of Iraq and Afghanistan could be describe as innocent, but I digress.

[Ronin13]

Where did you get that definition? The definition of terrorism is the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. Nothing about "innocents", which again, is an ambiguous term. The non-combatants of Iraq and Afghanistan could be describe as innocent, but I digress.

Repetition in progress... standby for redundancy to occur:
Intended target, key word here, stay with me, I'm about to use "big words." Terrorists spout "Death to all infidels regardless of if they are actually picking up arms to fight us." The Pentagon passes down "Kill every last one of those terrorist scum, but do your damnedest to not let any civilian casualties occur." 'Course I'm paraphrasing here, but they don't care if they're killing US troops or just plain old John Q. American Public, 9/11 proved that pretty obvious. We're not carpet bombing all of Baghdad, launching raids into neighborhoods killing anything that isn't in US uniform. ROE, our mission, and goals for the wars we fight differ greatly from what terrorists believe, and if it really takes for me to sit here and spell it out for you then please cease and desist now, because it's honestly just making me think you're really dumb, or really uneducated in current affairs. Ok, so I didn't use "big words" I decided to speak in layman's terms.

[mevshooter]

This actually isn't meant to deviate from the original topic, but friends of mine who are close to Israeli/Palestinian types laugh their butts off at how accurate (albeit overblown) the dynamics in You Don't Mess With The Zohan are in regards to cultural interactions amongst these people groups.

[sniper7]

This actually isn't meant to deviate from the original topic, but friends of mine who are close to Israeli/Palestinian types laugh their butts off at how accurate (albeit overblown) the dynamics in You Don't Mess With The Zohan are in regards to cultural interactions amongst these people groups.

that was a great movie!

[Mazin]

that was a great movie!

Disco Disco....

[Mick-Boy]

Repetition in progress... standby for redundancy to occur:
Intended target, key word here, stay with me, I'm about to use "big words." Terrorists spout "Death to all infidels regardless of if they are actually picking up arms to fight us." The Pentagon passes down "Kill every last one of those terrorist scum, but do your damnedest to not let any civilian casualties occur." 'Course I'm paraphrasing here, but they don't care if they're killing US troops or just plain old John Q. American Public, 9/11 proved that pretty obvious. We're not carpet bombing all of Baghdad, launching raids into neighborhoods killing anything that isn't in US uniform. ROE, our mission, and goals for the wars we fight differ greatly from what terrorists believe, and if it really takes for me to sit here and spell it out for you then please cease and desist now, because it's honestly just making me think you're really dumb, or really uneducated in current affairs. Ok, so I didn't use "big words" I decided to speak in layman's terms.

Ronin you have a very narrow understanding of terrorism. Do you think the FARC or the IRA sits around saying death to the infidels?

Terrorism is a tactic usually used by a group when they don't feel they have the political means or military might to achieve their goals. If you don't believe that from their perspective their goals are just then perhaps you're the one who should cease and desist now.

I said earlier I was looking for a little intellectual honesty. Let's try to at least be consistent here. You still haven't answered my post on pg 8. I'm looking forward to your thoughts.

[Mick-Boy]

OK so here's a question. Let's play to the assumption that it is black and white.

What should Israel do? How do they ensure their own peace and prosperity?

[Irving]

Ronin, have you read Unintended Consequences?

[PSS]

If you believe that someday you will stand before a power who will judge you according to your actions, then there is absolute right and wrong that will be dictated by whoever judges you. If you don't believe that then do whatever you want. Use whatever philosophy or intellectual reasoning that will justify yourself. I would say the latter view is prevalent in humans based upon their actions.

I personally believe I will stand in judgement. And it has been a safe guide to me, making my life better. My personal belief is that it doesn't matter what perspective you have, or what is written in the history books. It doesn't matter what popular opinion says happened. Right and wrong are absolutes. Nobody rapes, kills without cause, or steals and remains innocent. Regardless of perspective. They may escape punishment in this life, may have books written in their honor, and enjoy honor from like minded people but they will be judged according to their deeds.

How's that for an extremely narrow and naive view. Works for me. If you violate the natural laws set before us and don't find a way to reconcile with the power that will judge you, you deserve to burn in hell. And I'd hate to find out what it would take for people like Hitler, Manson, Stalin ect. to find forgiveness.

(puts soapbox away)

[Ronin13]

Ronin, have you read Unintended Consequences?

No, can't say I have... I'm currently reading that criticism of the drug war book by the former Sheriff of San Miguel County (Telluride)... Should I add it to the next book in line?