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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    No, can't say I have... I'm currently reading that criticism of the drug war book by the former Sheriff of San Miguel County (Telluride)... Should I add it to the next book in line?
    You don't need to add it, I just wonder how you'd feel about the events in the book is all.
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    I'm not sure playing up 35F AIT (amounting to a wide knowledge of terrorism) is a display of intellectual honesty. That is, unless we call Bradley Manning an intellectual because of his training.

    Rereading this post, I apologize if this was snarky. I just think Mick brought up some very interesting questions that have been sidestepped with a bait and switch on ambiguous qualifications.

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    I'm still thinking about the Balfour Declaration, all the associated agreements and whether or not is was the right thing to do.

    I'm trying to figure out the motivating factors for the British and French, why would they want to do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bameverden View Post
    Look at Israels past....they always win. They are the chosen people...I'd want them on my side.
    If Jews are gods chosen people are we non-Jews second class people in his eyes?

    I don't get the "chosen people" thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86k10 View Post
    If Jews are gods chosen people are we non-Jews second class people in his eyes?

    I don't get the "chosen people" thing.
    The 'chosen people' thing is from the Old Testament and I don't really know what it means, only where it originates. The 'chosen people' thing is no longer relevant after the crucifixion of Jesus Christ in the New Testament, all the Gentiles (all men) become 'the chosen' after that event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    Lots of interesting info here

    that video is well worth the time it takes to watch.

    they don't want to live in peace. they don't want their own country.

    they want to exterminate the jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roberth View Post
    The 'chosen people' thing is from the Old Testament and I don't really know what it means, only where it originates. The 'chosen people' thing is no longer relevant after the crucifixion of Jesus Christ in the New Testament, all the Gentiles (all men) become 'the chosen' after that event.
    But in Revelation, John goes on to talk about that Israel's enemies will attack from the north and God will protect them with fire/brimstone from the sky.

    It doesn't become irrelevant, but I agree with you on the point that it is no longer an "exclusive" club. Jesus said in the New Testament that He did not come to UNDO the Old Covenant, but to fulfill it. So it is a matter of both yes and no.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elhuero View Post
    that video is well worth the time it takes to watch.

    they don't want to live in peace. they don't want their own country.

    they want to exterminate the jews.
    And THAT'S the deciding factor for me when considered without my Christian bias towards Israel.

    When I remove that aspect of my perspective, I still can't get behind Palestine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roberth View Post

    I'm trying to figure out the motivating factors for the British and French, why would they want to do this.
    i could go into detail but the short answer is guilt . promises made after ww1 were not held and then after ww2 everyone felt real sh*ty . france then went to war with indochina (vietnam) to help rebuild and the brits tried not to starve as they rebuilt .

    the problem is that its not cut and dry or black and white , at this point both sides have committed some many wrongs that making some rights are gonna take a lot of pride swallowing on both sides .

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    Quote Originally Posted by alxone View Post
    i could go into detail but the short answer is guilt . promises made after ww1 were not held and then after ww2 everyone felt real sh*ty . france then went to war with indochina (vietnam) to help rebuild and the brits tried not to starve as they rebuilt .

    the problem is that its not cut and dry or black and white , at this point both sides have committed some many wrongs that making some rights are gonna take a lot of pride swallowing on both sides .

    did you watch the video?

    israel has offered peace several times now.

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    Historically speaking the sequence of events in the video is pretty accurate but the depiction of the parties involved is extremely one sided (look who made the video and tell me it's not biased...).

    If you read what I wrote on pg 7 it'll give you an idea of what the big roadblocks to peace are. BOTH sides have offered peace but not on terms the other side can accept.

    Nothing is simple when there are millions of people, religion and extremely emotionally charged issues on both sides.
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