NRA CCCW Questions

[markwcmu]

Hey ladies and Gents, I just moved out here from San Diego, But was a Michigan Resident before and during my military career. I have a Michigan NRA Personal Protection Inside the Home and Basic pistol Instructor Cert.

My question is, In Michigan instructors are required to complete 1 block of legal training (Tells students about laws and regulations while carrying) by use of a peace officer, board certified attorney or a gun board certified POST trained instructor. Can any instructors, or master counselor instructors guide me on what colorados law is in regards to the legal portion of the training block. Is it required, not required, peace officer/lawyer, not.

Thanks a lot guys, I appreciate your help in advance, this forum is amazing.

P.S sorry about the 3 "C"s at the top. My bad.

[275RLTW]

Can any instructors, or master counselor instructors guide me on what colorados law is in regards to the legal portion of the training block. Is it required, not required, peace officer/lawyer, not.

None required. Only has to be a handgun specific course (NRA FIRST Steps excluded). Some courses vary topics, shooting, etc. Your call as the instructor.

[Great-Kazoo]

None required. Only has to be a handgun specific course (NRA FIRST Steps excluded). Some courses vary topics, shooting, etc. Your call as the instructor.

The legal portion of the Personal Protection inside the home does require an LE or attorney to provide the info. Hence LEGAL. Colorado law has nothing to do with it. THE NRA requires you to do the course that way. NRA courses of instruction are uniform across the country. Granted the instructor may veer off course while doing the class.

[markwcmu]

Thanks for the info Jim. I appreciate the Banter as well, reminds me of the old days. Does anyone know any 'Gun Friendly' lawyers in the Metro/Northern Denver Area who work with instructors, or contract with courses?

[275RLTW]

Can any instructors, or master counselor instructors guide me on what colorados law is in regards to the legal portion of the training block. Is it required, not required, peace officer/lawyer, not.

As I said, your call. NRA doesn't issue permits for concealed carry, and doesn't dictate what the training requirements are. They are clearly defined in Colorado Revised Statues, and very liberal regarding what must be covered. You do not need to teach a NRA course and bring in a laywer, just read the statues. Again, your class, your decision. Margins are thin enough on CCW classes in the area...

[Great-Kazoo]

As I said, your call. NRA doesn't issue permits for concealed carry, and doesn't dictate what the training requirements are. They are clearly defined in Colorado Revised Statues, and very liberal regarding what must be covered. You do not need to teach a NRA course and bring in a laywer, just read the statues. Again, your class, your decision. Margins are thin enough on CCW classes in the area...

Agreed on that. Why deal with a lawyer when doing a basic pistol class is acceptable for CCW permit in CO. OR do up a letter stating said student has completed X amount of training as per CRS XXXX sign you name including you are a NRW Certified Inst and go from there. The margins is very thin, why else would the same places that offered a $75 classroom only course have now dropped them to $50., ladies get a free class if accompanied by a paying student.

[markwcmu]

It's an ethical opinion. Generally, Today instructors shorten the class to appeal to the "on the go" shooter who doesn't have much time to waste. Lowering cost by shortening the course and cutting corners is not only unethical but dangerous. Nothing "Erks" me more then seeing an instructor teach the basics, and send them on there way. I don't want my name, or my students on the streets with untrained pistol skills. If that means I have to raise cost to add in a lawyer, and add an hour to shoot 40 more rounds, then I will do that. My name will never be associated with under trained victims of self defense. And I think many instructors are setting a poor example of how to train people to defend themselves. If you can even call it that.

[Great-Kazoo]

It's an ethical opinion. Generally, Today instructors shorten the class to appeal to the "on the go" shooter who doesn't have much time to waste. Lowering cost by shortening the course and cutting corners is not only unethical but dangerous. Nothing "Erks" me more then seeing an instructor teach the basics, and send them on there way. I don't want my name, or my students on the streets with untrained pistol skills. If that means I have to raise cost to add in a lawyer, and add an hour to shoot 40 more rounds, then I will do that. My name will never be associated with under trained victims of self defense. And I think many instructors are setting a poor example of how to train people to defend themselves. If you can even call it that.

the opinion you express has been a very hot topic button for members here and other gun boards. i suggest you search that topic and see how many feel. All CO requires is the applicant meet MINIMUM criteria to apply for a ccw. Unfortunately many a shooter or even new gun owner tends to opt out for the lowest cost class to obtain their ccw. I have a set charge per student and have stuck to that for many a year. This has cost me a few potential students, but what i offer has kept them too. Until you have some references from students here in CO it may be a tough road to travel. Good Luck in your endeavor.