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    How is a large Dominos Pizza and a Gunsmith different?



















    The pizza can feed a family
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    Tis easier to machine and become a Smith than to become a Smith and try to learn to machine.
    There is a very valuable piece of advise. Learning to machine would open the doors and provide insurance so to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPTactical View Post
    Great, just what I need, nuther Gunsmiff.........
    Seriously though
    Trinidad State or Yavapai.
    Legions ahead of CST.
    I think this is where spyder is going for his "Mr. Smithing" skills.?? I just learned a thing or two growing up with guns. But if I can't do it I call BERT!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSB OUTDOORS View Post
    I think this is where spyder is going for his "Mr. Smithing" skills.?? I just learned a thing or two growing up with guns. But if I can't do it I call BERT!!
    Yeppers, I'm in Trinidad currently. You will be waiting for a while before you get into any of the smithing schools however. I believe the wait here is about two years out. Go learn how to machine first, you would be miles ahead of the curve, and you have a long wait ahead of you anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrymrc View Post
    There is a very valuable piece of advise. Learning to machine would open the doors and provide insurance so to speak.
    And weld as well.

    Always have something to fall back on.
    One thing about CST v Trinidad or such. CST you get a certificate in Gunsmithing. Trinidad and Yavapai you earn an actual degree.

    Now for the ugly truth of the matter: Very, very few Smiths make a notable living 'Smithing.
    Bill Wilson, Bill Laughridge, Les Baer, Chip Yost, Bob Munden, Chad Dixon and such are the rarity.
    They found a niche and were lucky enough to capitalize on it. They are the masters of a particular platform and people will glady wait 2-3 years for a +$3K item from them.
    Not to mention all of them manufacture items as well and that is the moneymaker. They might get to actually work on a firearm a few hours of the week. You will need to figure out if you want to specialize such as riflebuilding, pistolsmithing, double guns, stockmaker, refinishing or general smithing.

    For a general Smith you actually spend very little time actually working on firearms. Your time is taken up responding to e mails and phone calls, researching items, building tooling as needed, doing paperwork, budgeting, taxes etc.
    You have to be a businessman first, Gunsmith second.
    By the time you figure out what you are making per hour it is actually quite little all things considered.
    And we haven't even covered overhead such as tooling, machinery and utilities. Example: I basically stole my mill for what I paid for it. But I have 4 times that easily in tooling, 1 carbide cutter is $110.00 to cut sight dovetails for instance. I fire up my welder or phase converter and I can almost hear my Excel bill racking it up.
    We are also in a terrible location for a Smith to hang out a shingle. With 2 renowned schools in state Colorado is topheavy on Smiths. Everytime CST graduates a class there is 20 or 30 new Smiths job hunting.
    The majority of them go to work for places like Bass Pro, Gander or such for 12.00 per hour or so, a few may go to work for manufacturers as well.

    What you may try to figure if it really something you want to do is this:
    The NRA holds "specialty" classes that usually run a week or so during the summer in Trinidad.
    Try one, see if it is for you before you make the investment in the dedicated course.

    Not trying to discourage you at all, just trying to illustrate a real world picture of the trade.
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    Dang Bert...... and here all this time I thought you were a 1%ter

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrymrc View Post
    There is a very valuable piece of advise. Learning to machine would open the doors and provide insurance so to speak.
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