I like this guy

[BPTactical]

He is exactly the kind of person we DO NOT want representing gun owners.

With that perspective you have a helluva point.

[Fentonite]

**** that guy. What a close minded *******.

He is exactly the kind of person we DO NOT want representing gun owners.

That guys is a stupid ass. Way to call a gun a dangerous weapon. Idiot.

With that perspective you have a helluva point.

I can see the points above, but I respect his right to refuse training to whomever he chooses. Many of us have given disclaimers in ads that we wouldn't sell to someone who didn't smell right, and I think that's a good thing. I think the majority of the people he'd offend voted for Obama. While I can see the benefit of not giving them ammunition to use against us, I don't believe in preaching their gospel, just to avoid their wrath. Maybe I'm wrong, but I wouldn't sell to someone who brought a prayer rug to the meet, or said "Allah Akbar".

While I see the point of not demonizing firearms, guns are dangerous weapons. That's why we carry them. My intent in carrying a gun is to provide a deterrent which is not only dangerous, but very likely deadly, to those who would pose a threat to me or mine. We may not need goofy guys as our self-proclaimed spokesmen, but it doesn't mean they are automatically wrong.

[bryjcom]

He has a right to refuse service to anyone he wants for any reason but I still disagree with him

To say "if you are a devout muslim then you are not a true American" is just plain bigoted and close minded.

What ever happened to judging a person on the content of their character??

[Fentonite]

To say "if you are a devout muslim then you are not a true American" is just plain bigoted and close minded.

What ever happened to judging a person on the content of their character??

Yeah... I see, and concede, your point.

Maybe I've read too many Vince Flynn novels lately, but I don't think I trust my insight enough to beieve that I could accurately judge the character of a stranger 100% of the time, in a brief meeting. In a perfect world, I'd give benefit of doubt, or take the time necessary to learn their true character. In our imperfect world, I'm afraid I'll err on the side of (my perceived) safety, admittedly based on gut feeling. This applies to my perception that someone might be a terrorist, a gang-banger, a criminal, an illegal, or just too moronic for me to feel good about selling them a gun. While it feels hypocritical and contrary to most of my core beliefs, I can live with the injustice.

[ChunkyMonkey]

To say "if you are a devout muslim then you are not a true American" is just plain bigoted and close minded.

Care to go deeper on this one?

Per Muslim belief, his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia. He is to uphold the five pillars of Islam and the Quran. His capital per say is Mecca to which he turns to prayer five times a day.

Furthermore, a devout Muslim must not make friends of Christian and Jews (Look up 5th tab verse 51 in Quran). Muslim also must submit to the Imams and Mullahs which have declared and swore the annihilation of Israel and destruction of USA.

Moreover, a devout muslim is instructed to marry four women and multiply. He is allowed and expected to 'beat and scourge' his wife in honor killing when she disobey him. 4th tab verse 34 in Quran.

Most of all, a devout muslim per Quran believes that Muhamad and Islam do not allow freedom of religion and expression hence why Islam and Democracy do not belong in a sentence.

I have few moderate muslim friends who came here with me to be Americans. Even them are here to escape these so called devout muslims who follow the quran word by word.

**** these devout asholes. They are the bigots.

[mcantar18c]

To say "if you are a devout muslim then you are not a true American" is just plain bigoted and close minded.

I agree with that statement 100% (his, not yours). Call me bigoted and close-minded if you'd like.
MB88 makes some great points on this.
To put it simply, a devout Muslim by nature can not be a true American, and an American that fancies themselves to be Muslim are fooling themselves as they are not true to their religion. You can be one or the other, not both.

[Chad4000]

Haha lol

[TFOGGER]

Acid test: Replace the word Muslim with any other religious, cultural, or ethinic designation, and see if you feel the same way.

40 years ago, the word could have been Russian, or Vietnamese, or Chinese. 70 years ago, it might have been n*gger, Japanese, Buddhist. 100 years ago it might have been Jew or woman.

I'll admit I have my prejudices, but I see them for what they are, and try to look past them for the true character of the person I'm dealing with. Radical Islam is without a doubt a destructive force, but I have known many moderate/secular Muslims that were kind and generous people. The same can be said for most zealots....Westboro Baptist Church, anyone? They CLAIM to be Christians, but most would agree that their stated beliefs and actions belie that assertion.

[bryjcom]

I'm curious if you guys think that devout Christians, that have an allegiance to God, are true Americans??

[Mazin]

Man your trolling this topic...

There are many who will disagree but this nation was founded upon God and the Christian faith, not islam. MB888 has it right about the extreme nature of islam and I suggest that you learn more about it to see the type of enemy the US is at war with and when you get to the part of the quran that says its your duty to kill anyone who won't convert to islam take a good look at who you consider biggoted.

As an Instructor myself I reserve the right and have used it to decline my services to anyone I see fit too. If you have an issue with that then please don't ever ask me for my class. Although I would not have voiced it they way that ol guy did I do think that he is within his right to teach whoever he wants.