Expensive Dog Walk

[Great-Kazoo]

Hunting dogs, sheepdogs, S&R dogs...none of their owners care for them...

we are talking about civvie owner with dog off leash, then bitchin about getting a ticket. Lots of folks are coming to his defense as animal control could have given a verbal warning. That i agree with. the rest of the replies are wandering off topic. Dog off leash, warning or ticket. STOP complaining about **** when you are in the wrong.

[Jer]

Shooting a man's best friend because you felt threatened? Acceptable I guess...now with the number of other permit holders strolling around, I'd say it wouldn't be very wise to act upon that choice before you've even established the dogs demeanor (not all dogs eat babies) because I for one would be in a dimension beyond pissed off if I saw somebody shoot my dog. I'm not saying you shouldn't defend yourself if need be, I'm just pointing out the fact that the possibility of a nip at the hand from a dog trotting up ass and tail wiggling is better than a bullet in the ass from their owner; just be careful.

ETA: My dog's never off his leash when we're out.

If you shot someone for shooting your dog who was coming/charging at them then you would be in a WORLD of **** for retaliating. See why leash laws exist? If you're dog is never off of his lease the way you claim then you have nothing to worry about. This is about people who let their dog roam free which is when bad things happen. The sad part is almost always it's the dog that has to pay for the owner being an idiot.

If your dog is on a leash then you won't have to worry about someone who carries a gun being put in the position of having to make that choice in a moment's notice.

we are talking about civvie owner with dog off leash, then bitchin about getting a ticket. Lots of folks are coming to his defense as the animal could have given a verbal warning. That i agree with. the rest of the replies are wandering off topic. Dog off leash, warning or ticket. STOP complaining about **** when you are in the wrong.

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[Graves]

I'm not worried about my dog at all. As per my last post, people have been known to do dumb **** when they're having a fit.

Btw, leash laws don't exist everywhere...So now what?

[Jer]

I'm not worried about my dog at all. As per my last post, people have been known to do dumb **** when they're having a fit.

The way you worded it made it sound like somehow the person being charged by the loose dog would be at fault for the owner's irresponsibility of said dog. I was meerely stating that had the person who shot not been put in that situation to have to make a decision in a split second then there would be no issue. Hence the reason for keeping your dog on a leash regardless of whether it's the law or not.

Btw, leash laws don't exist everywhere...So now what?

Then the OP of this thread should move there and let his dog roam free 24/7 since it's not a law. I mean, there's virtually no reason to ever keep your dog on a leash if you car about him or her, right?

[hollohas]

we are talking about civvie owner with dog off leash, then bitchin about getting a ticket. Lots of folks are coming to his defense as the animal could have given a verbal warning. That i agree with. the rest of the replies are wandering off topic. Dog off leash, warning or ticket. STOP complaining about **** when you are in the wrong.

The OP agreed to being wrong in his very first post guys.

All I am saying is some of this "keep your dogs on leash or PEOPLE WILL DIE" nonsense seems a little excessive. It's not the end of the world if a dog is let off leash. The working dogs I mentioned are fine examples that dogs off leash don't guarantee a threat...

[Jer]

The OP agreed to being wrong in his very first post guys.

All I am saying is some of this "keep your dogs on leash or PEOPLE WILL DIE" nonsense seems a little excessive. It's not the end of the world if a dog is let off leash. The working dogs I mentioned are fine examples that dogs off leash don't guarantee a threat...

Just like people drink and drive all the time w/o people dieing and w/o the world ending. Still doesn't make it right.

[Ed_S]

Dang to wrap this up:

In my very first post I said I was in the wrong.
Am I pissed I got a ticket - yes. But my own fault.

As for 'Saying your dog is better trained (go to a K9 selection & training course sometime and then come back to this statement) and that it's for the 'donut fund' is doing nothing to help your cause.'

Training - she's Schutzhund Level 3! Check it out, she's trained.
Donuts - cops and donuts need I say more. IT WAS A JOKE.

FYI when I drive out of LAX there's always a LAPD car at the local donut store!

[Jer]

Dang to wrap this up:

In my very first post I said I was in the wrong.
Am I pissed I got a ticket - yes. But my own fault.

As for 'Saying your dog is better trained (go to a K9 selection & training course sometime and then come back to this statement) and that it's for the 'donut fund' is doing nothing to help your cause.'

Training - she's Schutzhund Level 3! Check it out, she's trained.
Donuts - cops and donuts need I say more. IT WAS A JOKE.

FYI when I drive out of LAX there's always a LAPD car at the local donut store!

My guess is this attitude towards cops you present in this thread shows up when you are contacted by one in real life. Believe it or not, you are less likely to get a ticket when you are respectful than when you are a prick... even if you don't think you are outwardly. Personally, if I had a badge, everyone who allowed their dog to roam free would get a ticket from me. Why you ask? Well, I'm glad you asked that. It's because those 'scenarios' I made up earlier weren't made up scenarios... I actually witnessed each of those and I can tell you that each and everyone involved in those situations were devastated and a dog ended up dead in each one through no fault of it's own. It should also be noted that the dog that ran into traffic was also 'very well trained' much as you have mentioned here. Dogs react when they're spooked and no amount of training will take that out of them. The dog that mauled the little girl's dog was also one of the dogs you hear about that 'have never bit before' so either they lied or dogs are capable of resorting to their instincts in time of high stress. In all cases a simple leash could have prevented the situation and it really shouldn't have even required a law for the owner to know better. So, I would write tickets to drive the point home. Sure I could just give warnings but had you not been given a ticket would you have even thought about it again? Probably not. You certainly wouldn't have posted here about it so look how much awareness that one ticket created. I say good job LEO and you need to be a more responsible pet owner who takes responsibility for his actions and safety of an animal that would follow you through hell if you asked it to.

Find another forum to bitch about being cited for a law you admittedly broke.

[hollohas]

Dogs react when they're spooked and no amount of training will take that out of them.

Wrong. Most dogs run, hide or go crazy when they hear gun shots. But hunting dogs don't. Why you ask? Glad you asked that...because they have been trained not too.

I think everyone here will agree or has agreed that the law is the law. If the law says you must leash, then you must leash or pay a fine. But your generalizations about dogs off leash are absurd.

[Jer]

Wrong. Most dogs run, hide or go crazy when they hear gun shots. But hunting dogs don't. Why you ask? Glad you asked that...because they have been trained not too.

Yeah, talk to me like I've never been around hunting dogs. Take that same dog that's trained to not flinch around gun fire and walk them off leash next to a busy road (Prospect & Shields in Fort Collins in this case) and then pass someone riding a skate board going the same way in the cross walk. Suddenly, that super smart dog that's fearless of gun fire is now inexplicably afraid of the sound the skate board wheels make on the rough concrete. The dog then panics and goes out into traffic to avoid the sound that neither you nor I would think twice about it being afraid about. I was at that intersection waiting to turn left at the front so I saw the entire event unfold clearly. Had the teenager swerved to miss the dog it would have likely meant the loss of human life so the right decision was made, the dog died a horrific painful and slow death in front of everyone all while the dog's owner had the leash draped around his neck the entire time. Turns out that dog was also a hunting dog (I asked when I saw his RealTree camo collar & leash) and trained to not fear gun fire which is a very focused and specific type of training. To say that that dog now is afraid of nothing and will never react adversely to conditions neither you or I can predict proves your level of intelligence.

I think everyone here will agree or has agreed that the law is the law. If the law says you must leash, then you must leash or pay a fine. But your generalizations about dogs off leash are absurd.

Love the way you call real life experiences generalizations because even if I hadn't witnessed these first-hand they would be any less relevant. The bottom line is I'm a dog lover and have watched too many dogs die a horrible death due to the owner's stupidity and ignorance to what's possible. You seem to fit this nicely since you seem to think nothing I have said is possible and there's no good reason for leash laws within city limits. I suppose you also think it's not possible to be mugged or attacked so why carry a firearm, right? The odds are good you won't get in an accident and your driving record is clean so why wear your seat belt, right? How is this different?