Jer, As for what you have seen happen to dogs, I never questioned your real life examples nor did I call them generalizations. Each event sounds horrible. However, your generalized statement was that training can't keep a dog from getting spooked. I gave ONE example that it can. Of course a gun trained dog won't necessarily be steady on a busy street. But if a dog can be trained to be gun steady, why can't he be trained not to get spooked on the street? Or anything else for that matter? It can and that is my point. Service dogs are trained not to spoke on busy streets.

You are flat out wrong when you say no amount of training can get the spook out of a dog.

Final note, I have nothing against leash laws. Never argued that. I do however think some posts here come from leash Nazis (no reference to Hitler...think soup Nazi instead).