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    I find it amazing ANYBODY would vote for a tax increase right now...our "representatives" (I use that term loosely...) in government are doing enough to take money out of pockets... Glad it failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobat555 View Post
    Laugh all you guys want to about it "being for the children" less educated kids hurt property values and create hooligans. But so long as you don't have to pay the extra $20 a year its worth letting our state rot from the inside.
    For the umpteenth time; DUMPING MORE MONEY INTO THE EDUCATION SYSTEM DOES NOT GET YOU BETTER EDUCATED CHILDREN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    For the umpteenth time; DUMPING MORE MONEY INTO THE EDUCATION SYSTEM DOES NOT GET YOU BETTER EDUCATED CHILDREN.
    You mean replacing the money that has already been taken away over the past 3 years. Not putting more into it.

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    Yes, the schools already take the biggest chunk of the tax money in the state. There's no reason to give them more and in fact we could probably cut the schools quite a bit before the quality of education was diminished.

    Bureaucracies waste most of the money poured into them.



    Furthermore had 103 passed it would have caused a lot of these children's parents to be unemployed. The ensuing financial insecurity would do more to damage their intellectual development than schools having less money for condoms and bananas or copies of Howard Zinn's communist propaganda masquerading as history textbooks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    Yes, the schools already take the biggest chunk of the tax money in the state. There's no reason to give them more and in fact we could probably cut the schools quite a bit before the quality of education was diminished.

    Bureaucracies waste most of the money poured into them.
    The instant you add 5 more kids to a class room (which has already happened) the quality of education has diminished. The zest for educating is not going to last in these teachers when they cannot properly educate due to class size or lack of materials. At that point they will be baby sitters, no hope of anyone learning anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadvfranke View Post
    I find it amazing ANYBODY would vote for a tax increase right now...our "representatives" (I use that term loosely...) in government are doing enough to take money out of pockets... Glad it failed.
    Sadly I do not. There are plenty of people out there who think the government is the solution when the truth is that the government is the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobat555 View Post
    The instant you add 5 more kids to a class room (which has already happened) the quality of education has diminished.
    There's a lot of non sequiturs here.

    First off adding students to the class room may not diminish the quality of education (no, I don't take the word of Union teachers who's primary purpose is to decrease work and increase pay, not improve education for children), second the additional tax dollars would not necessarily have gone to the classrooms (there's a history of this ... especially with bills written with "... or other purposes." in them) and 3rd reducing class size still wouldn't rid the curriculum of all the social engineering and other crap that gets in the way of learning (in fact more money would likely increase these).

    Also you're not taking into account the law of unintended consequences. So what if schools have more money when the parents of these kids have LESS (many of which a LOT less when they'd have found themselves unemployed ... 103 was going to increase unemployment)?

    Why is it that giving bureaucrats and unions more money is "for the kids" but opposing an increase in unemployed parents and the taking of money from parents is somehow not?

    Furthermore, it was going to be a lot more than $20/year for most of us (you're missing a couple zeros).

    The children of Colorado are better off without 103.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobat555 View Post
    Laugh all you guys want to about it "being for the children" less educated kids hurt property values and create hooligans. But so long as you don't have to pay the extra $20 a year its worth letting our state rot from the inside.
    But it's not the lack of $20/yr that's creating this situation. It's the politically correct crapola from the NEA that's doing that. 50 years ago, we actually had educational standards. Students were taught reading, writing, arithmetic, history (real history instead of the political rewrites common now), civics, etc.

    The pedagogists think it's more important that the child have a positive self-image, be "green" and not be judgmental about drug users, homosexuals, multisexuals, etc. than to know how to construct a sentence properly, do basic math or understand how our form of government actually works.

    We spend more and get less from our educational system than any other nation on the face of the earth. Apparently most Coloradans understood that means the amount of taxation and spending for "education" has no direct correlation to the educational level of our students. Also apparently, you don't understand that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumpstart View Post
    Teachers' hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do: babysit! We can get that for minimum wage. That's right. Let's give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:.........00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan-- that equals 6 1/2 hours). Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day...maybe 30? So that's $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day. However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations. LET'S SEE.... That's $585 X 180= $105,300 per year. (Hold mmon! My calculator needs new batteries). What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master's degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = $280,800 per year. Wait a minute! There's something wrong here! There sure is!! The average teacher's salary (nation wide) is $50,000. $50,000/180 days = $277.77 per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student; a very inexpensive baby-sitter (and they even EDUCATE your kids!). WHAT A DEAL!!!!!


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