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    With the amount of cartel activity here in CO, I'm not really surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcantar18c View Post
    With the amount of cartel activity here in CO, I'm not really surprised.
    Not to mention the Feds renewed stance on MMJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShooterJM View Post
    DUI's have stopped being about public safety and are more about revenue at this point.
    Here we go again...law enforcement is only about money...

    Without getting into the constitutional legalities of DUI/drug check points, probable cause, etc... alcohol related fatalities have been cut by about 50% in Colorado in the last 25 years or so largely due to new enforcement methods. Colorado still runs an average of around 200 alcohol related traffic fatalities per year, Jefferson County and Denver County having the most.

    They are without a doubt about reducing drunk and impaired driving, not about money. I will leave the argument regarding whether they are a violation of our rights to someone else...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollohas View Post
    Here we go again...law enforcement is only about money...
    He didn't say that, he said DUI enforcement is all about money. Comprehension and clarity are your friends.

    I agree that there are many groups cashing in on DUI arrests, lawyers, rehab, probation, and all the rest but I don't think it is all about money.

    Speeding tickets, now that is all about money and absolutely nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roberth View Post
    He didn't say that, he said DUI enforcement is all about money. Comprehension and clarity are your friends.

    I agree that there are many groups cashing in on DUI arrests, lawyers, rehab, probation, and all the rest but I don't think it is all about money.

    Speeding tickets, now that is all about money and absolutely nothing else.
    The first part of my comment was not directed solely at whom I quoted and that is clear in the words I wrote. It is a fairly constant theme on here from some members that police only do their job because they want revenue. There were threads only a couple days ago, among countless others, about speed traps and dog leash laws that blamed it on LE revenue grabbing. Which again you give an example of in your last sentence here.

    When you read my entire post you see I then specifically focused on DUI/drug check points and not LE in general, Mr. Comprehension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by two shoes View Post
    @ OneGuy67 - I do not want to infer something that may not be true, so I will ask you directly.

    Do you support these abuses to our 4th amendment rights. If not, how do you resolve or justify your participation in them? Just curious.

    I don't consider it an abuse of the 4th Amendment within proper, outlined and specific parameters. A "Hi, how are you? I'm Officer So and So with the X Police Department. Here is a brochure on alcohol and driving. Hve a good night." to a person through a window and looking for signs of intoxication are not outrageous, in my opinion. Your opinion may differ; my opinion is at least set with case law regarding it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcantar18c View Post
    With the amount of cartel activity here in CO, I'm not really surprised.
    I'm not surprised, but find it well short of effective. If the drug smuggling types weren't somewhat intelligent, they wouldn't manage to get many tons of the stuff into customers hands in this country annually.

    I've been stopped countless times by the Federales (Mexican Federal Police, not the mordida-seeking guy on the corner in Nogales or Playa) while driving on lonely desolate roads in Mexico and while they have always been polite, professional, and courteous, their location is likely well known to anyone who is seriously considering smuggling things. Likewise, if an actual drug interdiction roadblock is set up in the U.S., you can be sure that word of it has spread to those who smuggle drugs before the first recreational user is nabbed. But, politics are always involved and if such checkpoints exist, I'd be curious to know how long they existed before local elections

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneGuy67 View Post
    I don't consider it an abuse of the 4th Amendment within proper, outlined and specific parameters. A "Hi, how are you? I'm Officer So and So with the X Police Department. Here is a brochure on alcohol and driving. Hve a good night." to a person through a window and looking for signs of intoxication are not outrageous, in my opinion. Your opinion may differ; my opinion is at least set with case law regarding it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockedandloaded View Post
    Then youll love their FEMA camps.
    its just to keep u safe. realx
    We've had a thread on the alleged FEMA camps here. Re-read it. I hear King Soopers is having a sale on tin foil. Go stock up.
    “Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson

    A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'

    That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.

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