Obama says same-sex couples should be able to marry

[Rucker61]

I am so very torn on this subject.
1- I am all for personal freedoms, if that is the life that one wishes then so be it. Just don't expect me to accept it as "normal" and don't you dare think you deserve anything exceptional or "protected class" status.

Like the tax exempt status of churches?

2-Marriage is a sacred union between a man and a woman.

Then let the various churches handle it. The government doesn't have any business in sacred activities. What's your feeling on divorce? As strict as the Pope's, as in don't allow it, or stronger, or weaker?

3-Adoption-Bullshit. It takes a man and a woman to make a child and it takes a man and a woman to raise a child. I sincerely feel that a child in a gay marriage is set up to fail. The additional stresses it places on a child must be tremendous.

It takes a act of sex to make a child, test tubes and petri dishes notwithstanding, but there have been millions of kids raised in single parent homes. Do you feel that since it takes a man and woman to raise a child, surrogate fathers should be assigned to single moms by the government? Forced to enter the sacred union of marriage to make sure that the kids are raised by two loving parents?

I know kids raised in gay homes, and they're fine. Anecdote, not data, but it's a couterpoint. I would bet that if you were to actually study the children of two gay parnents you'd find that they have about the same success/failuer rate as kids raised in hetero couple homes, and better than you'd find in single parent homes.

We have seen historically that a large amount of children that commit serious crimes come from dysfunctional families. Seriously, how much more dysfunctional than wife and wife or husband and husband can you get?

Seriously? A lot frigging worse. Do you even know any gay couples?

What is the worst part is the clear indicator that this is a further degradation of the very fiber of our society, morals.
Without morals there is no right or wrong.

So gay people are Evil, and bent on destroying American society? You need to get out more. Greed and selfishness are more detrimental than gay marriage by many orders of magnitude.

I think this is by design, one way to weaken a strong county and society is to destroy the basis of said society.
Destroy the traditional family, destroy the morals of society and you have a society that is very easily influenced and manipulated.
Perfect Marxist strategy.

How does the two guys living together across the street getting to enjoy the same legal benefits as my wife and I do affect our marriage, your marriage, or any other marriage? Answer - not at all. There are many other factors today that do, however. I'd say that the inability of single income family to afford a middle class lifestyle has been more detrimental than anything on the gay agenda could ever hope for.

[Ronin13]

We have seen historically that a large amount of children that commit serious crimes come from dysfunctional families.

Bert, I'm not arguing with you here, but while this is true it's a non-exclusive issue too- look at John Hinkley, Jr.... He did not come from a dysfunctional family.

My stance- let them do what they want to do, they want to pay joint taxes as a married couple- great. Bill's husband ends up on his death bed and he wants rights to be in the hospital room with him for his final hours, let him. Susan wants to be able to order the doc to remove the feeding tube from her wife, why stop her. Sanctity of marriage? I like that picture ghettodub posted- See: Britney Spears' 55-hour-joke-of-a-marriage.

Freedom is a 2 way street folks- you want your freedom, someone else wants theirs... just like you can't pick and choose the rights on a case by case basis, what I mean is you want the freedom to say "We're all equal and deserve to be free," but you can't restrict someone from saying "Blacks should be treated as second class citizens." So you want to be able to marry Mary Jane Rottencrotch, you shouldn't be able to tell Gary he can't meet Ace at the alter and make their partnership official.

[CO Hugh]

I am so very torn on this subject.
1- I am all for personal freedoms, if that is the life that one wishes then so be it. Just don't expect me to accept it as "normal" and don't you dare think you deserve anything exceptional or "protected class" status.
2-Marriage is a sacred union between a man and a woman.
3-Adoption-Bullshit. It takes a man and a woman to make a child and it takes a man and a woman to raise a child. I sincerely feel that a child in a gay marriage is set up to fail. The additional stresses it places on a child must be tremendous.
We have seen historically that a large amount of children that commit serious crimes come from dysfunctional families. Seriously, how much more dysfunctional than wife and wife or husband and husband can you get?

What is the worst part is the clear indicator that this is a further degradation of the very fiber of our society, morals.
Without morals there is no right or wrong.

I think this is by design, one way to weaken a strong county and society is to destroy the basis of said society.
Destroy the traditional family, destroy the morals of society and you have a society that is very easily influenced and manipulated.
Perfect Marxist strategy.

I generally agree with BP. BHO's stance is not so groundbreaking: Cheny was in support of it, http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/...gay_marri.html.

As a starting point: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-dennis-prager

As to why the government is involved, one big reason has to do with divorce law and the welfare state. If you get divorced with children the government is concerned that the children wind up on welfare so they stick you with the bill to support them.

Like many things government intervention starts because people engage in self indulgent behavior without any thoughts to the consequences, say if something goes wrong. Then when they realize the error of their ways they want the government involved.

Also wait, soon there will be anti discrimination laws and punishment for those that disagree with same sex marriage or refuse to conduct marriages. The left claims people disagreeing with them are haters.

You already cannot discriminate agaisnt some man wearing a dress in employment or housing no matter how sincere your convictions that it is wrong.

[BPTactical]

Also wait, soon there will be anti discrimination laws and punishment for those that disagree with same sex marriage or refuse to conduct marriages. The left claims people disagreeing with them are haters.

And yet another dimension of Pandora's box opens.............

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I am so very torn on this subject.
1- I am all for personal freedoms, if that is the life that one wishes then so be it. Just don't expect me to accept it as "normal" and don't you dare think you deserve anything exceptional or "protected class" status.
2-Marriage is a sacred union between a man and a woman.
3-Adoption-Bullshit. It takes a man and a woman to make a child and it takes a man and a woman to raise a child. I sincerely feel that a child in a gay marriage is set up to fail. The additional stresses it places on a child must be tremendous.
We have seen historically that a large amount of children that commit serious crimes come from dysfunctional families. Seriously, how much more dysfunctional than wife and wife or husband and husband can you get?

What is the worst part is the clear indicator that this is a further degradation of the very fiber of our society, morals.
Without morals there is no right or wrong.

I think this is by design, one way to weaken a strong county and society is to destroy the basis of said society.
Destroy the traditional family, destroy the morals of society and you have a society that is very easily influenced and manipulated.
Perfect Marxist strategy.

So, are you saying that because I was raised by a single parent I'm somehow different from any other child out there? And, You can get A LOT more dysfuctional..

I'm willing to bet that if you studied it, a child raised in a happy gay household would come out BETTER than one raised by a married but unhappy male and female.

Maybe a civil union between two gay individuals is immoral to you... That's fine. That's your view... Being "anti-gay" is immoral to me... Your immoral action are destroying blah blah blah... See how it works?

Morals, like ethics, are a personal thing...



I normally agree with just about everything you say and you're a pretty good guy... But your comment on children being more likely to commit a serious crime because of a "dysfuctional family" is utter bullshit and it kind of pisses me off... I've never commited a serious crime in my life and I don't plan it... And I came from one of those "dysfunctional" single parents families you say are the cause for all of America's problems...

[tmckay2]

The government shouldn't even be involved in marriages. I don't agree with homosexuality I think it is a sin and some are unfortunately tempted with it just as we all are tempted with other sins but I think they should not be withheld rights the rest of us enjoy. To say they should is a very dangerous road to go down and could come back to bite you in the ass when they take rights from you because they don't agree with you ethically or morally. Just my opinion and I certainly don't judge or hate on people who disagree. It really shouldn't be such a polarizing topic if you ask me

[Ridge]

Well said, TS12000.

[Ridge]

Well now we've just come full circle...

[Ridge]

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

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