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my isuzu is 100% US.
there are fewer and fewer GOOD options for buying a US car now days.
US automakers are to the auto industry what Sears is to tools.
(lots of choices, but lots of crap)
(not refering to the basic hand tools (Craftsman), I'm talking about the gimmic-y crap that only the weekend warrior/mechanicly inclined wanna be types are drawn to.)
I am all for supporting american workers, I own 2 GM's GMC Sonoma and a Chevy S10, and for what its worth I sold my last chevy and it was made in mexico, how is that supporting american workers. I have been building cars and trucks since I was a kid and have owned mostly American cars. But they are behind the power curve when it comes to reliable, good MPG smaller cars.Originally Posted by GearHead
Most imported cars are made right here by american workers because its more cost efficient for them. I have a good friend that works at the BMW plant in SC building BMW's. So if you buy one of those that is made here in America how is that not supporting American workers.
And you tell me what American car company has a car that competes with a Subaru AWD car for the same price range, reliability, and gas mileage and I will look at them.
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You never will be the person you can be if pressure, tension ard discipline are taken out of your life. Dr. James G. Bilkey
Anthony you might be very surprised to find out most of them are assembled here. I am a die hard patriot but if you think that buying an American car means you are supporting America VS buying a foreign car you are sadly mistaken.
Give me the first number of the VIN of your vehicles and I can tell which country they where made in I bet you will not like it. [wink]
Will 2 auto shop owners say subaru for what you want ....price range ...reliability ect.. let me know what you decide.
"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." (Edmund Burke 1784)
will do hunter i have a couple months. I will proabaly be buying something around Feb/mar when I get my return back. That gives me plenty of time to shop around and see what I want. Thats also about the time I plan on having my Sonoma running as well, then it comes apart again and goes to paint shop.
If i can get something halfway decent on gas I can actually make money on my milage expense at work. :mrgreen:
Retired U.S. Army
Owner: Awesome Edges
You never will be the person you can be if pressure, tension ard discipline are taken out of your life. Dr. James G. Bilkey
sorry to veer OT
having worked within the motorcycle industry for over 20 years i can say while you make a good point. it is one that is no longer valid.
1) Made In America means using north american assembly plants. mexico and canada are considered "AMERICAN" by industry standards
2) 60% of replacement parts for H-D are mfg in (GASP) CHINA!! says so right on the package
3) replacement parts for my R1100RT are german mfg not china as a
"TRUE AMERICAN MOTORCYCLE" LIKE HARLEY IS
4) the old agage of "Buy American" is no more.
we are considering a new vehicle soon. i doubt it will be a "U.S" mfg from the big 3 truck. i can get a better warranty from "foregin" car makers w/out having to pay for an extended warranty. i can get a better designed, longer lasting, higher resale truck by not purchasing a big 3 vehicle.
GM is now offering an X year 100K warranty. why because they realized in order to stay revelant (and in business) they needed to offer the same incentive as the 'foregin" mfg do.
5) i have had more minor issues with both of our 02 chevy trucks then any other vehicle's we have owned (30 years of driving)
while it is hard for us to not "buy american" it is as hard to keep supporting a less then stellar product
To add gasoline to the fire:
Aren't most cars built in the US (whether Fords from Michigan, Hondas from Ohio, or Toyotas/GMs from the NUMI plant in California) built by union labor?
Presuming the above is true; don't most unions strongly support those towards the left side of the political spectrum?
Presuming both of the above are true: wouldn't buying US made cars be supporting those that would infringe on the very activities most of this message board/club is about?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for supporting the US economy instead of other countries' economies, but this one particular case of "Buy American!!!!!1111oneone" has always seemed odd to me.
For the record: My 1991 Ford Escort was Hecho en Mexico. Better to support them down there than have to support them up here, I guess. Then again the car was a gift so :-p
As much as I'd like the FJ Cruiser / Tacoma / Xterra....
I think my next vehicle will be a Subaru.
Mike
I like my Mustangs to play with, but my daily driver is a 4Runner. Build quality and mechanical quality FAR outstrip any domestic of similar or even newer vintage. If the domestic Big 3 could make something that wasn't a complete piece of shit anymore, it might be a viable option, but poor business practices and the socialist UAW are killing the American automotive industry and I for one am not willing to buy a shitty car just to say "I buy American". Ditch the union and bring the quality up even close to Japanese standards and maybe domestics will be a good option again.
That said, I detest Honda, am not a big fan of Mitsubishi or Nissan, and I don't even like Toyota cars much, while the new Mustang and a lot of Daimler/Chrysler offerings really turn me on. I have VERY specific opinions about cars. :mrgreen:
The Ford Focus RS would be right up there with the STi/EVO, except that Ford is stupid and doesn't market them in the US.300hp 5-cylinder turbo, AWD, hatchback.......oh yes.....
Why may I ask?
If you say it's because they are like vanilla and have no soul I'd have to agree with you.
That said, our other major line we work on is Honda, and I must say their reliability is very very good.
Would I drive one? Well, no, but they do very well for what they're built for. Mindless as it seems, it's like a point and shoot car.
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