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You know what does drive me crazy?
Many of my Volvo customers are trading in their cars for Prius Hybrids. I must work in the most Liberal area of Denver.
You should see the sneers I get when they pull up in their new Hybrids and my F350 is outside.
When they hear it's a diesel they say "oh, well that's okay then!" [postal]
Way back in the 70's a co-worker gave us a ride in his bel-air.
He had some kind of built engine/race engine - I don't know what.
But when he punched it & went through the first three gears I was blown away!
Almost pinned me to the passenger seat.
That thing had more poop than most fast motorcycles of the day.
Hey, I’m a equal opportunity hot rodder.. Wanna compare apples to apples. Fine, but my point is, and always will be DO NOT BUY FORGEIGN CARS.
Apples to apple, you pick the foreign car and I will pick an equal domestic counter. For example you say '06 Camry; I say the Pontiac G6. I'll take the G6 for comfort, cost, reliable and performance. That’s right, RELIABLE is in there. The Big Three have changed their focus to quality.
96’ 700hp Talon – I’ll take the ’96 700hp Camaro
I'm gonna get killed for that last post...
Quality from the Big 3? [roll] Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of American cars, but they have a looooooong way to go to get to the level of the Japanese. The Germans aren't that great either. You couldn't get me into anything GM has made in the last 20 years short of a C6 Z06, and that's coming from a Fox Mustang guy.Originally Posted by GearHead
My '86 Toyota 4Runner has 247K miles on it and the build quality is still better than most five-year-old domestic trucks. I used to be a lot tech at a dealership, so I drove a LOT of different vehicles, and for the most part the Jap cars were noticeably higher quality. I still hate Hondas, just as personal preference, but I think Toyota has just about the top-quality product on the market right now. If the Big 3 want to stay in business, they need to drop the UAW and bring up the quality BIG time.
Back on the topic of domestic muscle, here's my '86 Mustang SVO Comp Prep (option delete). One of 83 ever made.
Just a four cylinder. :mrgreen:
Considering I am a tech with 20 years experience and work on automobiles for a living you’re dead wrong about reliability. No American car can compare to how reliable Toyota and Honda is. Look in the consumer guide if you want more proof.
Lets see this week 90% of the cars I worked on were all American cars. The difference is simple my last truck a Chevy S10 had 177K on it when I traded it in. It was starting to smoke and the rod bearings were shot it sounded like a diesel when I would first start it until it got oil pressure. I now have a Toyota Tacoma that at 177K will just barley even be broke in and will probably go over 300K before it needs any major engine work.
You also don't seem to get it that your so called American cars are not made in the US. They are assembled here just like the foreign cars and half of US cars are not even US cars they are imports. Ford probes are made by Mazda, Mercury Villager is made 100% by Nissan it is a Nissan Qwest, All GEO's depending on model are either a Toyota or Isuzu, Chevy nova is a Toyota, Dodge Viper is a Mitsubishi GT3000 I could go on all day. The ones that are actual US cars don't even come close to the reliability of some of the imports mainly Toyota and Honda.
To each their own but I will take my Toyota over any US compact truck hands down. The only time I will ever by another US vehicle is if I want a full size truck.
"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." (Edmund Burke 1784)
Maybe I won't mention the Recall notice I got on My truck, Less than a year after I got it. :roll:
Nothing big, just the tailgate seemed to fall off if You drove with it down.
Sarcasm, Learn it, Know it, Live it....
Spleify 7-27-12Marlin is the end all be all of everything COAR-15...
DROP THE UAW!!! Amen,brother. They're killing Detroit. $35 hour to tighten lug nuts. Good work if you can find it.
OK, COHunter, I have a bit of respect for you since you actual own a repair shop but your logic is flawed. Let me prove it to you. Your first argument you state,
Then you state,“Considering I am a tech with 20 years experience and work on automobiles for a living you’re dead wrong about reliability. No American car can compare to how reliable Toyota and Honda is.”Recap, American badge vehicles made by foreign companies are not as reliable as the same cars with a Toyota emblem. So, Toyota, in Fremont are making their badge cars reliable but GEOs made by Toyota are not. I think we have stumbled on a conspiracy!“Ford probes are made by Mazda, Mercury Villager is made 100% by Nissan it is a Nissan Quest, All GEO's depending on model are either a Toyota or Isuzu, Chevy nova is, blah, blah blah.”
Foreign companies are sabotaging American brand cars. Another reason to avoid imports.
Your catching on the only so called US cars that actually have any reliability are the ones we don't even make rather ironic is it not. They are not American cars they are imports with an American emblem that is one of my points. If you look at the consumer guide every single American car with a high rating is not really an American car it's an import in disguise.
True American cars are not reliable and need ten times more repairs than imports. Why do you think the American companies are selling more and more imports in disguise?
GM has already contracted out their Hybrid to Toyota. GM also has most of the power train components for every vehicle they actually make made in Mexico. So much for buying a Chevy and it's made in America.
All I am saying is that your delusional view that because you bought a US made car employed more people here vs. my Toyota is a fantasy. My Toyota employed just as many US workers as your Ford and it's ten times more reliable.
Like I said to each their own if you like US made cars nothing wrong with that. I am just stating from a professional view why I drive a Tacoma and not an S10 anymore.
If GM decides to contract out their compact trucks to Toyota then I will have to take back my statement of I will never by an American made car again. [wink]
"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." (Edmund Burke 1784)
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