Lefthand Cleanup 12-30-06

[DanaT]

One thing to keep in mind, as I have said before, is that the environazis don't want shooters or wheelers out. They want everyone out.

If you really look at it, both shooters and wheeler (along with ATVs and motorcycles) are the "bad" guys of the use of the National Forest. Basically, the tree huggers want to be able to kayak, hike, mountain bike (of coarse Mt Bikes don't cause extreme trail damage) and have exlcusive use of the NF for their, and only thier, activities.

Keep in mind most of the these people have no respect for private property and other things. Basically, the environazis (tree huggers) think that the entire area, regardless of who owns it, it theirs for their exlcusive use.

If they can turn the wheelers and shooters against one another, then they will win.

Now, as far as Left Hand. Lets look at the real problem. It is very close to Boulder and is over-used. There are bicycles in the canyon that refuse to ride single file. They don't like the wheelers driving in the canyon. They don't like the noise from shooting or the wheelers. The wheelers don't like the noise from the shooting. The people shooting are stupid (even at the far area) because some fire up the hill. There is a trail at the top. The wheelers are stupid because they are driving along a trail that they know sometimes shot in the general direction.

The real problem is that this area is too close to Boulder and is over-used for every activity (wheeling, biking, wheeling, shooting, camping, partying). I mean, come on wheelers, be honest. Any given weekend day on Carnage it looks like a traffic jam. Look at the crowds that gather at that big rock to watch most vehicles go around and a few over it. To solve the real problem with the area (over-use) use has to be restricted and the restrictions enforced.

Sorry to say this, but really in this area, they should make the rock park that is wanted and charge for it. I have no issues with charging for use. Separate the users. Get rid of the camping and partying. Simply get rid of the over use and most problems will go away.

Why? Well, come on wheelers, how much Federal Excise Tax do you pay that is used to help fund the National Forest on 4x4s???? Zero!!! How much is paid on a rifles, pistols, fishing rods, ammunintion? Well, it varies, but about 10%. We pay our taxes to use this area, why shouldn't you pay to use it?

-Dana

[pickenup]

I have to wonder if this is going to happen at all.

[DanaT]

No it won't happen.

After I wouldn't back down to them on their board (after someone performed cutting, editing and pasting of posts from this thread), they deleted the thread. They don't like hearing anyone not calling wheelers gods.

-Dana