Aurora PD

[sniper7]

Consent obtained at gunpoint is not valid.

yeah...definitely.

I'm not sure if the picture Ridge posted is one of the "others" or if it is the actual robbery suspect, but if it is one of the "others", I think a lawsuit with "forced consent for fear of life" would be a pretty good title.

[Ridge]

yeah...definitely.

I'm not sure if the picture Ridge posted is one of the "others" or if it is the actual robbery suspect, but if it is one of the "others", I think a lawsuit with "forced consent for fear of life" would be a pretty good title.

Doesn't look like a 45 year old man to me...

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

To Serve and Protect?

Soooo. This guy is so dangerous you have two guns on him, but if he is a BG and started shooting, what's in the background? You cuff and stuff a street load of people, but you don't control the background? Never mind that the photographer is in your field of fire. I can almost see the crimp on the shotgun shell in the chamber.



No problem detaining this illegal Elian.



Drink your milk, er. DON'T DRINK THE MILK!!!


Government. Solving our problems by pointing guns at one unarmed citizen at a time.

[barney fife]

I respectfully disagree.

Probable cause (PC) will get you a warrant, if that PC is specific to the thing and place you believe contains evidence of a crime. Police are obliged to take that probable cause to a judge who then decides whether or not to issue a warrant to search or arrest. This can and often is done over the telephone, and can happen in less than two hours.

There are very well spelled out exceptions to obtaining a warrant, but the risk in using one of these exceptions is that after the fact (many months later) in an evidentiary hearing, a judge may disagree with your decision on not obtaining a warrant and throw out all of the really good evidence that you really need to convict a real criminal.

As a police officer, why would I risk doing all that good police work to not get a conviction? My motto (and many other officers share this philosophy) Get consent, or get a warrant. It saves a lot of wasted effort and makes your case much easier in the long run.

Be safe.

Amen and Amen. Quick Story from last fall: An 18YO friend, who knows the Constitution, was stopped, along with a line of vehicles. He watched the driver of the vehicle in front of him get out and open the trunk for the cop to search. As the cop approached his car he got out and locked his car. The cop said it was a "routine search procedure" my friend said unless you can show me a search warrant with my name on it you cannot search my car. The cop attempted to open the door but it was locked; he looked in the back seat and saw a gun case and said, 'what is that'? My friend said he was going shooting and the cop was making him late for his appointment. By this time others behind him had gotten out and were listening to the conversation. My friend finally said he had been detained long enough and if a search warrant wasn't produced he was leaving. He got in his car and drove away. and the funny part is 2 or 3 of the guys who got out to listen got in their cars and drove away. Moral of the story: Teach your kids the Constitution!

If you don't disciple our children, what you believe will be lost in one generation!

[Ridge]

Amen and Amen. Quick Story from last fall: An 18YO friend, who knows the Constitution, was stopped, along with a line of vehicles. He watched the driver of the vehicle in front of him get out and open the trunk for the cop to search. As the cop approached his car he got out and locked his car. The cop said it was a "routine search procedure" my friend said unless you can show me a search warrant with my name on it you cannot search my car. The cop attempted to open the door but it was locked; he looked in the back seat and saw a gun case and said, 'what is that'? My friend said he was going shooting and the cop was making him late for his appointment. By this time others behind him had gotten out and were listening to the conversation. My friend finally said he had been detained long enough and if a search warrant wasn't produced he was leaving. He got in his car and drove away. and the funny part is 2 or 3 of the guys who got out to listen got in their cars and drove away. Moral of the story: Teach your kids the Constitution!

If you don't disciple our children, what you believe will be lost in one generation!

That's a tazin'.

[babirl]

Consent obtained at gunpoint is not valid.

Amen!

Given they apparently "found two guns" and the suspect finally, I wonder what the consequences would've been if they'd come across one of our CO AR15er's daily vehicles, much less YOU LEGALLY carrying 2 guns?

Needs to be several terminations w/out benefits vs. lawsuits in my opinion... These type of civil lawsuits are just pass-through taxes to the citizens.

What a charlie-foxtrot on multiple levels.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

This whole thread makes me laugh.... Keep going....

[SuperiorDG]

10 pages and its not closed yet.

[cstone]

10 pages and its not closed yet.

It is interesting how long you can have a civil discussion when people refrain from calling others names.

[alxone]

on the good side they got the felon
on the bad side they will now think this tactic acceptable