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The longer you are unlawfully detailed the better chance of receiving money from the cityOriginally Posted by Ronin13
Knowing what I know now, I'd stick to my guns and if he detained me for that long I'd be calling someone... then submitting a very nicely worded written complaint to his superiors and local government.
Good advice... almost too good.
In both cases, I'd be inclined to say "As soon as you show me a valid warrant, I'll be happy to let you search. Until then, I do not give my consent." If they pull me out of my car at gunpoint, I'll comply(resistance is futile), but you can be damned sure I'll have a copy of the incident report, names, and badge numbers of all the officers involved, as well as witness statements when I call my lawyer the next morning. Cuffed and detained for 2 hours? Bullshit...
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Byte can help me out here, but you can resist unlawful arrest... YMMV.
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OK I have a CCW, which means that sometimes I carry a gun. So If I am driving by this intersection, which I do all the time, into this cluster f*%k and get pulled from my car and searched I am going to get arrested as the bank robber. And this is for doing something that I had to go to class for and pay a few hundred bucks. I am all for the police but this was BS from the begining. I hate lawsuits but if some of the effected people don't sue this shit will happen again. They gonna stop and hand cuff everybody on the 16th street mall because some junkie steals a purse?
It's not arrest, it's "detention", and no, it's not the same thing.
Yep, you can. I would just hate to have an allergic reaction relating to having my ass kicked or being shot...bleeding is not a favorite activity of mine.
Seriously, if a cop has me at gunpoint, I'm probably not going to attempt to discuss the finer points of the law until the situation deescalates a bit. I realize cops get training for this kind of thing and are supposed to have good trigger discipline, but I would hate to find out differently by being the recipient of a rapid release lead/copper supplement. Right doesn't always have to be right now.
Light a fire for a man, and he'll be warm for a day, light a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life...
Discussion is an exchange of intelligence. Argument is an exchange of
ignorance. Ever found a liberal that you can have a discussion with?
From watching the video in the news link, it would appear as though Aurora PD takes the "might makes right" stance on things. I'll do my level best to act surprised...
The state is the most heavily armed force within a certain territory. That is what they are and our rights are but an illusion used in speeches. If they want something their gonna get it. I would have declined a search of my car and probably would have been beat.
Like has been said, I'd refuse consent to search, I'd take good note of everything, as soon as I was released I'd write EVERYTHING down, and call a lawyer immediately. I'd demand names and badge numbers, everything I could get for info, etc. This kind of behavior is exactly why people don't know or understand their rights, and it's BS. Of course they'd probably have arrested me if in my personal vehicle because I always have a loaded firearm in it perfectly legal under CO law and I also have my CCW permit. It'd be a big mess and I'd keep pushing until I walked away with some form of justice. I wouldn't physically resist them but I'd damn sure not make it easy, they'd have to get a warrant or loose their asses in court.
They had NO right to search those cars up to the point that people gave consent.
http://shaunkaufmanlaw.com/2012/06/0...without-cause/
At least one lawyer gets it right.
Title says:"Chief Apologizes To Bystanders Detained During Suspect Search"
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/06/0...uspect-search/
Except thats not what he said:
"The law is clear that investigative detentions are lawful for a reasonable period of time,” Oates said. “Reasonableness is determined by the facts and circumstances at issue, and the facts and circumstances were the suspect was in one of 19 cars.”
Would 20 have been unreasonable? 190, 1900 reasonable? With no description. It will be interesting to see what happens to the evidence when it gets to court. If the suspect kept his mouth shut and he can suppress the evidence he's got a chance.
Actually wish I had been there. It would have been the best civics lesson my seven year old could get.
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