Aurora PD

[rockhound]

The dramatic formatting of my post was for "not a llama"s benefit he is so sure that those who do not agree are somehow misinformed, i did not want him to miss the true definition and reason he was incorrect. was trying to save him some time reading, but did not want him to miss the point.

My real point is that the original OP and many others right off the bat assume that the 4th amendment is set in stone and that everyone's rights were violated.

Dial back the hatred and distrust of the police a bit. They actually get it right more often than not. The OP and many quick to judgement responders did not even consider the exigency that trumps the 4th amendment many times and just start blathering about how they would refuse search and they would get lawyers.

As i said on page one, in this case I believe the cops gave more courtesy than they needed to by asking permission.


I guess they should have allowed him to leave the intersection and then pursued him in a high speed chase that endangered the public.

No matter what the police do these days and how safely they bring the BG into custody they get crap for it.

I don't believe they are always right, but they are not always wrong either.

[rockhound]

The post by the lawyer seemed to me to be a pandering ad by an ambulance chaser to see if he could drum up some business.

^^^^^^this

[wyome]

If the PD used those stops /detainments to look for other stuff in the cars, or used their time to run a warrant check on everyone , then i would say a case for violation of civil rights has been made.

[cstone]

No matter what the police do these days and how safely they bring the BG into custody they get crap for it.

With much authority comes great responsibility. This is why I believe that the job isn't for everyone and isn't as easy as it looks.

There will always be those who believe they can do it better. A few of them may be right.

People (including cops) are not perfect. To expect otherwise would invite disappointment.

Most people know nothing about rocket science, but when the space shuttle blows up, everyone knows that was a mistake. If cops make a thousand decisions in a shift, some of them are bound to be wrong. We just try to make sure that more often than not we are right and when we are wrong, we try not to be wrong on the life and death stuff.

[cstone]

If the PD used those stops /detainments to look for other stuff in the cars, or used their time to run a warrant check on everyone , then i would say a case for violation of civil rights has been made.

A case isn't made until a verdict is rendered.

[rockhound]

If the PD used those stops /detainments to look for other stuff in the cars, or used their time to run a warrant check on everyone , then i would say a case for violation of civil rights has been made.

i like your point

[Ridge]

Totally unacceptable. The chief says it was the safest way to deal with an armed robber.

And what if the dude had gotten out guns blazing? Dozens of innocent bystanders around, handcuffed, sitting on the sidewalk. It could have been a bloodbath.

[TFOGGER]

If (big IF) some of the news reports can be believed, the PD MAY have been a bit heavy handed in dealing with some of the potential suspects. I guess we'll see how this plays out.

[XC700116]

To rockhoud's points for the most part I whole heartedly agree EXCEPT, and it's a big one. They detained people in what in CO law equates to 19 places (their cars) CO law extends the same rights to your car as your home. So without consent that'd be 19 separate cases of "reasonable doubt". It's the equivalent of entering 19 homes in a neighborhood because they saw a felon flee to that neighborhood. They DID NOT have a specific vehicle description and therefore did not have reasonable doubt for any of the vehicles. The fact that they gained consent from them all renders it all a non issue. They received consent and therefore searched legally anyone's vehicle that gave consent. If they didn't receive consent from one or more of them, then that person has some room to bitch. .

I'm just saying I wouldn't have given it and they couldn't legally search it without getting a warrant because they had no specific description of a vehicle in which generates the reasonable doubt.

Also, If I was the kid in the green shirt above that has the shotgun and handgun pointed at him, I'd be calling a lawyer immediately when the smoke cleared. They without a doubt need more than someone in this group of 19 cars and 40 or so people committed this crime and we're detaining you all at gunpoint and in cuffs until we figure out who it was.

[TFOGGER]

Consent obtained at gunpoint is not valid.