Aurora PD

[TFOGGER]

I advocate compliance with the lawful orders of peace officers, if for no other reason than there are laws against failure to comply. However, it irritates me that we as a society have allowed ourselves to be indoctrinated that the only time to question whether or not an order is lawful is after the fact (submit first, question in court). Of course, the reason we do this is because we KNOW that police officers are armed, and willing to escalate force to the point of compliance, being backed by force of law, so it makes good sense to "go with the flow" and sort things out later. I'm not sure I have a better solution, but the idea that just because someone is a police officer, they have a right to seize control of me at any time just irks me. And Ronin brings up a good point: Where does the line get drawn between asserting one's rights, and "resisting a police officer"?

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I advocate compliance with the lawful orders of peace officers, if for no other reason than there are laws against failure to comply. However, it irritates me that we as a society have allowed ourselves to be indoctrinated that the only time to question whether or not an order is lawful is after the fact (submit first, question in court). Of course, the reason we do this is because we KNOW that police officers are armed, and willing to escalate force to the point of compliance, being backed by force of law, so it makes good sense to "go with the flow" and sort things out later. I'm not sure I have a better solution, but the idea that just because someone is a police officer, they have a right to seize control of me at any time just irks me. And Ronin brings up a good point: Where does the line get drawn between asserting one's rights, and "resisting a police officer"?

Foggy line for sure... I'm just glad I live in a place where I could even question it... Go to some other countries around the world... You don't even have the chance to question it before they shoot you in the face.

[O2HeN2]

Here's my prediction: The bankrobber is going to get all evidence found in his car thrown out because it's fruit of the poisoned tree.

If they can’t find some other way to pin the robbery on him, he’ll walk.

Versus [assuming the presence of a GPS unit, which in my mind is a certainty] the police mixing in with the cars until via the GPS tracking information one car differentiated itself from the others. Now stop him (hopefully in a relatively safe area), get a warrant (now you have probable cause) and nail the bad guy.

All the while using less police officers, endangering fewer people and you don’t have to cuff innocent people in the process either.

Total win-win. I think someone got excited by the technology at hand (makes me think that this is the first time they had GPS data on a robbery) and jumped the gun, so to speak.

O2

[cstone]

I like that this point has been made, as I don't think it can be stressed enough.

Do not get into a confrontation with uniformed cops on the street. It will not go well for you.

As a non-uniformed LE, I follow that same rule. Yes, officer. No, officer. You do not have my consent officer. When you would like to see it, I can identify myself officer.

Save the civil rights fight for a safe place, like a courtroom or administrative hearing.

Sometimes it is better to be a live dog than a dead lion.

If you have the right of way, and clearly have the legal right to cross the street; to do so in front of a tractor trailer (to defend your rights) is not just wrong, but foolish.

Be safe.

[KevDen2005]

If you have the right of way, and clearly have the legal right to cross the street; to do so in front of a tractor trailer (to defend your rights) is not just wrong, but foolish.

Be safe.

Great point. At the end of the day, that "tractor trailer" could be very damaging and I don't think it's worth it.

If a cop does something stupid that I don't agree with and I work with, I will tell him later in a safe place. Causing a fight in the middle of a call is also not the place...and if he doesn't change his ways, well he can give up his house and all his money in court because I'll still have mine.

[kejam]

Some folks get detained for a short time. The bad guy gets caught and everyone goes home safe to their families. Sounds to me like a win/win for all involved.

[ColoWyo]

You know, my biggest issue with this whole thing is the picture on page 9 of this whole thread. I understand that cops have a tough job. Especially in A-town. BUT I just don't think I'd be really happy when I'm being pulled out of my truck facing a 12 gauge shottie knowing that my three year old is still in the vehicle. What would really piss me off is when fattie still has his shotgun pointed at me when I was walking towards them with my child in my arms.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

You know, my biggest issue with this whole thing is the picture on page 9 of this whole thread. I understand that cops have a tough job. Especially in A-town. BUT I just don't think I'd be really happy when I'm being pulled out of my truck facing a 12 gauge shottie knowing that my three year old is still in the vehicle. What would really piss me off is when fattie still has his shotgun pointed at me when I was walking towards them with my child in my arms.

At that point they didn't know who was and wasn't the bad guy... You point your gun at everyone. Kid in hand or not... You don't know if the bad guy jumped into a car that had a kid in it and now he's holding said kid as a hostage.

And as for calling him fattie... That's cute... Were you picked on as a child?

I find it funny that you have to find some possible way to call him a name of some sort. Like it's your only goal in life...

People that talk shit about another person's weight are funny... I mean, it's like making fun of someone with a medical issue... Yeah, I understand that some people are just fat and it's their own fault. But some people actually have medical issues that cause them to retain weight... I'm one of those people. Both my parents have thyroid problems that causes their body to retain weight. Diets helped them, both only slightly, and only for a limited amount of time before their body went back into retain mode...

I play hockey 2-3 times a week, play softball once a week, and I'm in the weight room 4 times a week before I start my shift at work. I eat less than most people I know. I also eat better than most people I know. Chemically I'm in perfect health. Low cholesteral. Blood sugar is fine. Everything with my blood checks out great. I still weigh 275ish pounds. Still have a gut. Still have the fat rolls in places.

People talk shit all the time... Then they see me play hockey or softball and go, "damn... Big man can run/skate."

How do you know the cop isn't the same way? I know at least 3 guys on my shift that look out of shape... Worse than me... They run the mile and a half in 14 minutes. They do over 50 push ups and sit ups in a minute.

Would you make fun of someone with a missing leg? Arm? Finger? How about someone with a mental handicap?

I guess the point of this whole post is, Fuck off, douche bag. Don't talk shit about people you know nothing about.


That is all. for me, even though I dont drink it. for all your beer drinkers. for all you under 21 folks. for the "happy ones" (Ranger. Leader of the Pink Parade Party. )

[ColoWyo]

LOL. Well at least you are taking the moral high ground.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

LOL. Well at least you are taking the moral high ground.

I just don't understand why it's gotta be about his weight. So the guy is fat. Who cares? That doesn't mean anything. There must be something about yourself that bothers you that you feel the need to insult the man's weight.