I agree 100%. I know when I do the Dragon Man's shoots I have to charge everyone for trigger time just to cover the ever rising cost of the range fee and, then of course, there's always the ammo. :roll: When we do our monthly shoots It's much cheaper, just the ammo, and tips (read, cheesy brats) are always welcome. [roll] Let's face it, I may be big, but my limit is still 3 cheesy brats. ops: If you show up at the next south shoot that actually happens, I'd almost bet we'd have 3-4 mg's easy. Karl.