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    Quote Originally Posted by asmotao View Post
    I wasn't trying to imply anything just giving out the list as a good place to start from.

    Shooting and learning are both supposed to be good fun and I'm not in any way trying to impede that for anyone.

    Part of the reason I that I thought this thread might not end well is that people, often times, do not take observations from others well. No matter how good the intentions.
    Perhaps your tone is inappropriate... If you think it could be offensive, then keep it to yourself. You don't know who the person is on the other end.


    Tinelement: the difficulty with critiquing a video is that little things such as trigger contol, balance, muscle tension, etc...cannot be seen in the video. There is no substitute for formal training and a video can only give you limited feedback, often only for the big things. Also, you need to see how you perform the fundamentals repeatedly, not a one time pre-planned show for the camera. Good idea starting a thread, however it's not something easily done. Keep up the training, keep saving for a class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinelement View Post
    On my list of things to come down and try Irving!!
    Gun games are a great way to hone your shooting skills (and it they are super-fun too). If you decide to try them, understand that they are just that -- a game -- and as such, there are safety rules that you must be aware of to prevent a disqualification. I mention this because I noticed that on your second video (CCW Training) the muzzle of your pistol was pointed up range at one point.

    On a separate subject... I believe you said that you are trying to become proficient by learning about tactics on your own but, have you considered taking some classes from a reputable instructor? Believe me when I tell you, it's money well spent!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by asmotao View Post
    I cannot see this thread going well...
    Quote Originally Posted by asmotao View Post
    I wasn't trying to imply anything just giving out the list as a good place to start from.

    Shooting and learning are both supposed to be good fun and I'm not in any way trying to impede that for anyone.

    Part of the reason I that I thought this thread might not end well is that people, often times, do not take observations from others well. No matter how good the intentions.
    Quote Originally Posted by coloccw View Post
    Perhaps your tone is inappropriate... If you think it could be offensive, then keep it to yourself. You don't know who the person is on the other end.


    Tinelement: the difficulty with critiquing a video is that little things such as trigger contol, balance, muscle tension, etc...cannot be seen in the video. There is no substitute for formal training and a video can only give you limited feedback, often only for the big things. Also, you need to see how you perform the fundamentals repeatedly, not a one time pre-planned show for the camera. Good idea starting a thread, however it's not something easily done. Keep up the training, keep saving for a class.
    I understand everything being said here!!

    I guess let's refocus the idea of the thread.

    Post your training exercises.

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    video taping your shooting is an amazing way to critique which skills need to be improved. I know many grand master shooters utilizing video to review and then work on improving where and how they shoot. Its used a lot by competition shooters. Unfortunately, it's almost never used in LE or military training.

    Shooting and moving at the same time with any amount of skill or accuracy takes a lot of practice. Without training the basics of a decent stance and grip, it's even harder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SA Friday View Post
    video taping your shooting is an amazing way to critique which skills need to be improved. I know many grand master shooters utilizing video to review and then work on improving where and how they shoot. Its used a lot by competition shooters. Unfortunately, it's almost never used in LE or military training.

    Shooting and moving at the same time with any amount of skill or accuracy takes a lot of practice. Without training the basics of a decent stance and grip, it's even harder.
    Good point, however I disagree with your opinion on video use in LE/mil. (that's why shoothouses have many cameras...). The difference is the level of shooters we are talking about. A GM trying to shave off a few tenths of a second vs. someone who is newer and still working on the fundamentals....big difference when comparing video feeds.

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    I was under the impression that TinElement might like to have suggestions of other types of exercises to practice, like the El Presidente or something.
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    In that case here is fun one - short range stress drill:

    2 shots short distance on a 4" plate
    10 burpees
    2 shots each at 2 10" targets at intermediate distance
    10 burpees
    1 shot each on all three targets

    Don't worry about going fast. Slow and steady. Add mag changes and stoppages in on occasion to break things up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asmotao View Post
    In that case here is fun one - short range stress drill:

    2 shots short distance on a 4" plate
    10 burpees
    2 shots each at 2 10" targets at intermediate distance
    10 burpees
    1 shot each on all three targets

    Don't worry about going fast. Slow and steady. Add mag changes and stoppages in on occasion to break things up.
    Are you holstering the pistol between strings?

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    If you have enough space you can also always do the MEU(SOC) drills. I will post here if you cant find them online.

    Personally, I don't like the drill - but it is good for gauging your fundamental progress over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cysoto View Post
    Are you holstering the pistol between strings?
    Of course. Although I think it would be funny to watch someone doing without holstering.


    You can also unload and set down the pistol between each string. Do whatever you think you need to work on. The point of the drill is to induce physical stress.

    After awhile doing the drill you can get a baseline - that's when you add a clock to the drill and try to better your times. Adding the clock induces mental stress on top of the physical.

    I will post up more drills tomorrow when I am not thumbdancing on a tiny keyboard.
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