Indiana First State to Allow Citizens to Shoot Police.

[cstone]

IMO, because most of what I type here is just that, my personal opinion; right minded citizens should entrust their personal safety and that of their family and loved ones to no one else. A man is responsible for those he loves.

This means that you take responsibility to provide for them as best you can. You provide safety from those who would harm them. You do the best you can do to give them an environment where they can flourish and be productive members of society.

Sometimes this responsibility takes the form of arming yourself and facing those who would see you and your family as prey. Sometimes this means laying down your life to protect those you love. Sometimes this can mean laying down your arms so that those you love are not subjected to cross fire or collateral damage from government agents, who will not stop while executing their mission to enforce the law.

Each of us have to make that decision for ourselves. No one else can tell another man what is right or wrong. All we are doing is sharing opinions.

I don't like every law I've enforced. I haven't liked every elected official I've protected. My oath of office had no stipulation for what my likes and dislikes are or are not on any given day. I, like many members of this board, have sworn an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, enforce the laws of the federal government, and obey the leaders who have been appointed over me. Yes, some of those leaders have been criminals. Some of them have actually been tried, convicted and sentenced to jail terms. This does not change my personal obligation to use my brain, and my conscience to conduct myself in accordance with the oath I have sworn before God.

Based on more than 20 years in law enforcement, I do not consider myself to be in the minority or a rarity in LE. Many of those who wear a badge have also worn a uniform and served on foreign shores defending the same nation they now serve in our communities.

Some cops are bad. This happens in all professions. When cops go bad, no one wants rid of them more than I do or the thousands of others in the profession who place their lives into our fellow officer's hands.

Hold cops accountable. I just ask that everyone try to withhold judgment on all of these incidents for just a few days. At least wait until the almost always incorrect initial story has had time to work it's way through the flawed and biased news media.

I don't believe that anyone on this board is calling anyone names over these types of incidents. We are all just expressing our opinions. Free speech is good. I am glad we have this type of forum to discuss our opinions.

Be safe.

[OneGuy67]

IMO, because most of what I type here is just that, my personal opinion; right minded citizens should entrust their personal safety and that of their family and loved ones to no one else. A man is responsible for those he loves.

This means that you take responsibility to provide for them as best you can. You provide safety from those who would harm them. You do the best you can do to give them an environment where they can flourish and be productive members of society.

Sometimes this responsibility takes the form of arming yourself and facing those who would see you and your family as prey. Sometimes this means laying down your life to protect those you love. Sometimes this can mean laying down your arms so that those you love are not subjected to cross fire or collateral damage from government agents, who will not stop while executing their mission to enforce the law.

Each of us have to make that decision for ourselves. No one else can tell another man what is right or wrong. All we are doing is sharing opinions.

I don't like every law I've enforced. I haven't liked every elected official I've protected. My oath of office had no stipulation for what my likes and dislikes are or are not on any given day. I, like many members of this board, have sworn an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, enforce the laws of the federal government, and obey the leaders who have been appointed over me. Yes, some of those leaders have been criminals. Some of them have actually been tried, convicted and sentenced to jail terms. This does not change my personal obligation to use my brain, and my conscience to conduct myself in accordance with the oath I have sworn before God.

Based on more than 20 years in law enforcement, I do not consider myself to be in the minority or a rarity in LE. Many of those who wear a badge have also worn a uniform and served on foreign shores defending the same nation they now serve in our communities.

Some cops are bad. This happens in all professions. When cops go bad, no one wants rid of them more than I do or the thousands of others in the profession who place their lives into our fellow officer's hands.

Hold cops accountable. I just ask that everyone try to withhold judgment on all of these incidents for just a few days. At least wait until the almost always incorrect initial story has had time to work it's way through the flawed and biased news media.

I don't believe that anyone on this board is calling anyone names over these types of incidents. We are all just expressing our opinions. Free speech is good. I am glad we have this type of forum to discuss our opinions.

Be safe.

+1 to you CStone. You said it better than I ever could have.

[Ronin13]

Cstone, I won't quote the whole paragraph where you stated how "in a perfect world" that's how LE would obtain a warrant, because we all know sometimes they don't get proof beyond a doubt that illegal activity is being done at or inside a home, but I fault not the LEOs, but their superiors and the judge responsible for issuance of the warrant. I agree with the pretty much unanimous idea that no-knock raids should have a pretty extensive list of needs to check off before it can be preformed, and then of course check the address, then go back and re-check. Of course mistakes can be made from time to time, but I think every law enforcement agency in our nation should always remember "Innocent until proven guilty" and go on that assumption at all times until that little bell goes off that actually does prove beyond a reasonable doubt that your suspects are doing wrong.

I'm in no way bashing cops (not all, there are a few I've dealt with that are actually no good), but in my experience, some of them do not uphold that mantra of "innocent until proven guilty." This is something I think agencies should work on, because I've seen it, especially in Evergreen, growing up some of the deputies acted like you being under 30 pretty much meant you were up to no good. I appreciate the LEOs who resist that cynicism.

[T-Giv]

I ain't bitching about no poh-lice but there are a lot of generalizations flying around here about the police just licking their chops to bust people's doors down and that cops are profiling people based on what their house looks like. Just saying cut the dudes some slack. Any cops I've dealt with have been fine. I'm not saying there aren't bad ones but they have a tough job and they keep society somewhat in tact.

[00tec]

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