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    Justice System my ass... FAIL!

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    Wow, I just don’t know what to say. My first reaction was that I wish harm would come to the pres and company. Ordinarily I would never say such a thing and put our country through that. But shit man, this corruption has got to stop. I suppose now I'll be getting a call from the secret service, unless of course there all out getting laid.................
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    Npr was reporting about the executive protection and also mentioned that if Congress proceeds, that Holder would have to be prosecuted by the DC attorney and there is a 99% chance that will NOT happen. They also mentioned that it seems like Holder is done with the job and will resign in November, but not before. Is there a statute of limitation for treason?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    Npr was reporting about the executive protection and also mentioned that if Congress proceeds, that Holder would have to be prosecuted by the DC attorney and there is a 99% chance that will NOT happen. They also mentioned that it seems like Holder is done with the job and will resign in November, but not before. Is there a statute of limitation for treason?
    That's probably how this will proceed- from the Post article:

    If the House committee cites Holder for criminal contempt, it would open a process that would require House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) to schedule a floor vote. If passed by the full House, the matter would then move to the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, Ronald C. Machen Jr., who is an employee of the Justice Department.
    you can figure out for yourself how well this will proceed when he's asked to indict the chief in his command chain...
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    You know this entire administration was summed up while I was sitting on my front porch last night and I was watching my cat as he took a dump in my wifes flower bed.
    The more he tried to cover the fresh dookie he uncovered even more old ones
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPTactical View Post
    You know this entire administration was summed up while I was sitting on my front porch last night and I was watching my cat as he took a dump in my wifes flower bed.
    The more he tried to cover the fresh dookie he uncovered even more old ones
    That had to have been frustrating for the cat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 68Charger View Post
    That's probably how this will proceed- from the Post article:



    you can figure out for yourself how well this will proceed when he's asked to indict the chief in his command chain...
    What do the numbers look like for when boehner calls the vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KestrelBike View Post
    What do the numbers look like for when boehner calls the vote?
    if it goes like the vote in committee, then it will be straight party lines (and it's predicted to be close to that)... Republicans have a majority in the house (what, 39 seats?), so they should be able to get the votes...

    Issa is already talking like he's using it for a bargaining chip, tho-

    In history, contempt of congress is uncommon- and has lead to a prosecution only once. Usually a deal is struck.
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    Well at least there is a touch of silver lining to this turd:
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/c...202646073.html
    The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee on Wednesday voted to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress despite a last-minute intervention by President Obama.
    By a vote of 23 to 17 after nearly six hours of tense discussion, the bipartisan committee voted for contempt over the Justice Department's decision to withhold documents related to Operation Fast and Furious that were subpoenaed by the committee in their investigation of the failed gunwalking operation.
    The votes were sharply divided along partisan lines with all Republicans voting for and all Democrats voting against contempt. The measure now moves to the full House for a vote.
    Moments before the hearing, Holder, who was not present for the committee vote, delivered a letter to Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) informing the committee that Obama exerted executive privilege to withhold the documents in question.
    "Although we are deeply disappointed that the Committee appears intent on proceeding with a contempt vote, the Department remains willing to work with the Committee to reach a mutually satisfactory resolution of the outstanding issues," Deputy Attorney General James Cole wrote in a letter to Issa.
    But the president's intervention did not stop Issa from proceeding with Wednesday's vote.
    "This untimely assertion by the Justice Department falls short of any reason to delay today's proceedings," Issa said prior to the vote.
    Many committee members Wednesday invoked the name of Brian Terry, a border patrol agent killed in Dec. 2010. At the scene of that crime, guns sold in the Fast and Furious operation were recovered. The operation overall was designed to track firearm sales from the United States to Mexican drug cartels, but the government lost track of a majority of the guns sold in the operation.
    "Remember the promises that were made in this room to Terry's family. We would not rest until we got to the bottom of this," Rep. Blake Farenthold (R-Tex.) said Wednesday.
    "Have the guts, I hope we have the guts and the perseverance to get to the bottom of this," Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) said, encouraging the government to help get to the bottom of why Fast and Furious failed. "It's not about Attorney General Eric Holder, it's about the Justice Department and justice in America," he added, invoking Terry's name.
    Just prior to the vote, Rep. Ann Marie Buerkle (R-N.Y.) read a statement released by Terry's family, which read, in part:
    For more than 18 months we have been asking our federal government for justice and accountability. The documents sought by the House Oversight Committee and associated with Operation Fast and Furious should be produced and turned over to the committee. Our son lost his life protecting this nation, and it is very disappointing that we are now faced with an administration that seems more concerned with protecting themselves rather than revealing the truth behind Operation Fast and Furious.
    Republicans in Congress have been leading the push to find out what the government knew about the operation and when and why the effort failed.
    Issa and Holder met Tuesday night under the auspices of reaching an agreement that would potentially delay the contempt vote. But following the meeting, Issa said Holder merely confirmed the Justice Department would not be delivering the documents and that the vote would proceed as scheduled.
    Holder accused Issa of playing politics.
    "Given the extraordinary nature of the offer that we made and given the extraordinary way in which we have shared materials to date that I think we are actually involved more in political gamesmanship as opposed to trying to get the information they say they want," Holder said.
    Discussion of Holder's contempt vote was sharply divided along partisan lines on the bipartisan committee Wednesday. Ranking Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland (D), defended Holder prior to the vote and accused Issa of refusing to compromise. "It seems to me you had no interest of resolving this issue," Cummings said to Issa.
    Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) said she was "offended personally" by Issa calling Holder a liar. "It's disrespectful," Maloney said. "Where have we degenerated to?" Maloney defended Holder, saying he is "prohibited by law from producing" the documents in question.
    "I want to apologize to the American people for yet another show of 'gotcha politics' in this body," Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) stated.
    But Republicans strongly disagreed.
    "Thus far, the cooperation has not been forthcoming," Issa said of the Justice Department. "We and the American people need answers sooner, not later."
    "Mr. Holder is either not telling the truth or he's grossly incompetent," Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) said Wednesday. Labrador once again called for Holder's resignation.
    Holder issued a defiant statement following the committee's action, taking aim at Issa and other detractors whom Holder accused of being motivated by politics.
    "This divisive action does not help us fix the problems that led to this operation or previous ones and it does nothing to make any of our law enforcement agents safer. It's an election-year tactic intended to distract attention -- and, as a result -- has deflected critical resources from fulfilling what remains my top priority at the Department of Justice: Protecting the American people," Holder said.
    House Speaker John Boehner and Majority Leader Eric Cantor announced following Wednesday's vote that they plan schedule the full House vote for the week of June 25.
    And you have to love this guy, SC Representative Trey Gowdy, he lays it all out the way it should be:
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/here...asting-holder/
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