Indiana First State to Allow Citizens to Shoot Police.

[Mtn.man]

Police officers in Indiana are upset over a new law allowing residents to use deadly force against public servants, including law enforcement officers, who unlawfully enter their homes. It was signed by Republican Governor Mitch Daniels in March

http://www.infowars.com/indiana-firs...nt-officers-2/

[islandermyk]

all I can say is... wow....

[JoeT]

is this even news? someone kicks in my door, there will be lead flying. It doesn't matter to me how they're dressed

[Ranger]

While I have the utmost respect for the boys in blue, an unlawful entry is an unlawful entry and should be met with the same measure of deadly force that anyone else would get.

[TS12000]

I thought there was already federal precedence for this? I'm also with Joe, come kicking and I'll come shooting. The scariest part of this kind of door kicking action is that criminals have learned how to use it to their advantage. Last year some folks I know had their door kicked in and were robbed, and what were the assailants yelling as they came in? "Arapahoe County Sheriff! We have a warrant!"

[Ranger]

Last year some folks I know had their door kicked in and were robbed, and what were the assailants yelling as they came in? "Arapahoe County Sheriff! We have a warrant!"

Yea, but how do you really combat that? If someone kicks in my door screaming they are the Sheriff and have a warrant how do you know it's not true. I would probably be dead on the floor without ever having raised my weapon - surely the intruders intent - but if for some reason they are legit I'm not going to start a firefight with the police.

[TS12000]

Yea, but how do you really combat that? If someone kicks in my door screaming they are the Sheriff and have a warrant how do you know it's not true. I would probably be dead on the floor without ever having raised my weapon - surely the intruders intent - but if for some reason they are legit I'm not going to start a firefight with the police.

That's my point the performance of no-knocks creates that situation. Is some not flushed dope worth the lives of innocent civilians and officers? I don't think so

[Zundfolge]

Yea, but how do you really combat that? If someone kicks in my door screaming they are the Sheriff and have a warrant how do you know it's not true.

Life is all about managing statistical probability.

I operate under the assumption that since I don't engage in illegal activity that would draw a dynamic entry team to my door that the percentage probability that it is criminals posing as police and not the police themselves is significantly greater. Furthermore while we are all familiar with the idea that occasionally police SWAT teams make mistakes, end up at the wrong door or get bad intel, those events are still very very rare.

So the statistical probability is that its criminals attempting a home invasion robbery. I will respond accordingly.

That's my point the performance of no-knocks creates that situation. Is some not flushed dope worth the lives of innocent civilians and officers? I don't think so

I agree, the policies regarding no-knocks need serious revision.

Frankly the only legitimate reason for our police to engage in such para-military activity is in an active shooter or hostage rescue situation. Period.

[Ranger]

Life is all about managing statistical probability.

I operate under the assumption that since I don't engage in illegal activity that would draw a dynamic entry team to my door

As do I, but who is to say that it's the wrong door or that someone called them in on you for completely false charges - whatever the case it can happen. Probability dictates that there is a 99% chance that it is an intruder, I have to ask myself if the 1% chance that it is real is worth the problems that result in taking action against the police.

I see it as a catch-22, damned if you do and damned if you don't. I think the only way to try to change that 1% chance is to have your weapon drawn and at the ready and demand to see the warrant or you will start shooting. I don't know, it's an interesting scenario that I have never really pondered before.

[Zundfolge]

As do I, but who is to say that it's the wrong door or that someone called them in on you for completely false charges - whatever the case it can happen. Probability dictates that there is a 99% chance that it is an intruder, I have to ask myself if the 1% chance that it is real is worth the problems that result in taking action against the police.

Life isn't fair and there's no guarantees ... all we have to go on is statistical probability.

Hesitation in such a situation will likely guarantee you end up with the dirty end of the stick.

I hope nobody here ever has to face that choice, but it's still something worth pondering (and seriously I doubt any of use ever will have to).

I think the only way to try to change that 1% chance is to have your weapon drawn and at the ready and demand to see the warrant or you will start shooting.

Yeah, real cops aren't going to stop what they're doing and say "why of course sir, here's the appropriate paperwork" when they come upon someone with a gun in their hand. If you draw you're gonna have to shoot no matter who it is. Since the chances that they'll be real cops is slim I'm ok with that.