I will definatley try it next time there were so much toys to play with ah what a drag about my knee man that just bumms me out. first thing out of coles mouth after we left was "when's the next shoot?"so I may have to goto the north shoots too! HunterCO and Atrain had the gun I want to build next I think they were M4's but I'm not positive, I think with this crowd I couldn't have chosen a better group to shoot with everyone was awesome I really can't thank everyone enough.