I can't comment on their gun smithing skills, but Rich is one hell of a salesman for sure! He's inspired me to start my own shop, sell nothing but $1000 engraved Hi-Points out on the plains with exploding bullseyes! Maybe to sweeten the pot and to seal the big deals, I'll whip out Indian head pennies, slam 'em down on the bargain table and say, "that's my best deal, not a penny more..."