How would any of you of handled this?

[Sharpienads]

I'm sure that George III thought that George Washington was a dick.

Yeah, I remember reading that in the history books:

Mr. George Washington hath been quite a dick these last few months...

King George III's diary entry, July 4, 1776

[10mm-man]

I'm sure that George III thought that George Washington was a dick.

[Ronin13]

I'm shocked! Does no one here, with not much regard to how it was handled in the video, have a freaking clue about CRS? During a stop, and IIRC it doesn't need be a traffic stop, a LEO can ask you to surrender your weapon during the duration of contact for his/her safety and must return it to you after the stop is complete if you are not to be detained. It is NOT unlawful seizure, it is simply the CO legislature putting in rules that protect our LEOs. If you are stopped while OCing and the cop asks you to surrender your weapon he is not seizing it, he's not trampling your rights, he's not violating you, he is just doing so for his protection because he doesn't know you from the next guy. Also, handing over your ID so the PD may rest assured you're not a wanted felon is OK! You're not having your rights eroded. I wish people would chill on this... one minute you're all saying that disrespecting cops is a no go (especially killing them) but then the next when one of them is simply investigating a "suspicious person with a gun" as called in by our stupid masses fellow humans, you lose your cool.

Now, granted, there was no reason for contact to begin with as our gun-toting friend here was doing not a single thing wrong, but I don't know how Portland PD operates and they might have an SOP dealing with Person With A Gun calls, we don't know. The man handled it okay, but honestly, this whole "stick to your guns, don't give them anything" is bullshit. Okay? Plain and simple bullshit. If you're ever stopped, walking down the street, open carrying, and the cop asks for your ID to make sure you're not a felon in possession of a gun, or what have you, just comply. What does it hurt? It helps him go about his business more soundly and costs you what? A minute or two of your precious time- probably takes a lot less time than arguing with the cop for 10 minutes... I'm with Flatline in saying this guy was an ass. Good on him for knowing the law, but fuck him for being a dick to that officer who was just following up on a call in about a guy with a gun. Okay, being a smart-ass is only going to make you look like a POS. Exercise some restraint, it doesn't hurt to cooperate with LEOs if they're not actually infringing upon your rights, and last time I checked, them trying to ensure their safety by asking to surrender your gun during the duration of contact wasn't some jack booted Nazi march towards oppression.

MTFBWY.

[cstone]

I'm shocked!

You realize that the incident in the video did not occur in Colorado right? CRS only applies in Colorado.

As far as surrendering your weapon, I stand by my opinion that you should not get into an argument with a uniformed cop... unless you are in Mexico

Be safe.

[Ronin13]

You realize that the incident in the video did not occur in Colorado right? CRS only applies in Colorado.

As far as surrendering your weapon, I stand by my opinion that you should not get into an argument with a uniformed cop... unless you are in Mexico

Be safe.

Oh I'm aware... And I realize this incident happened in Maine. I'm stating for us, ya know, those of us living in CO (sorry Byte! Still love ya!) how it would apply. I can't speak for a state I don't live in, or intend to live in, I can only say know the law here, this situation, as it applies to us CO residents and how we should handle it.
Like you say, be safe! I always try to be, especially when it comes to LEOs who are already under enough stress.

[10mm-man]

I'm shocked! Does no one here, with not much regard to how it was handled in the video, have a freaking clue about CRS? During a stop, and IIRC it doesn't need be a traffic stop, a LEO can ask you to surrender your weapon during the duration of contact for his/her safety and must return it to you after the stop is complete if you are not to be detained. It is NOT unlawful seizure, it is simply the CO legislature putting in rules that protect our LEOs. If you are stopped while OCing and the cop asks you to surrender your weapon he is not seizing it, he's not trampling your rights, he's not violating you, he is just doing so for his protection because he doesn't know you from the next guy. Also, handing over your ID so the PD may rest assured you're not a wanted felon is OK! You're not having your rights eroded. I wish people would chill on this... one minute you're all saying that disrespecting cops is a no go (especially killing them) but then the next when one of them is simply investigating a "suspicious person with a gun" as called in by our stupid masses fellow humans, you lose your cool.

Now, granted, there was no reason for contact to begin with as our gun-toting friend here was doing not a single thing wrong, but I don't know how Portland PD operates and they might have an SOP dealing with Person With A Gun calls, we don't know. The man handled it okay, but honestly, this whole "stick to your guns, don't give them anything" is bullshit. Okay? Plain and simple bullshit. If you're ever stopped, walking down the street, open carrying, and the cop asks for your ID to make sure you're not a felon in possession of a gun, or what have you, just comply. What does it hurt? It helps him go about his business more soundly and costs you what? A minute or two of your precious time- probably takes a lot less time than arguing with the cop for 10 minutes... I'm with Flatline in saying this guy was an ass. Good on him for knowing the law, but fuck him for being a dick to that officer who was just following up on a call in about a guy with a gun. Okay, being a smart-ass is only going to make you look like a POS. Exercise some restraint, it doesn't hurt to cooperate with LEOs if they're not actually infringing upon your rights, and last time I checked, them trying to ensure their safety by asking to surrender your gun during the duration of contact wasn't some jack booted Nazi march towards oppression.

MTFBWY.

Well CRS says you have to, but........ were this happened it was illegal!

So If it is illegal search and seizure your saying "hand over your weapons?" Just want to clarify your stance on this.

[Chad4000]

well now I'm confused. so in Colorado, the cops can just come up to you for no reason and demand your weapon? I think I would prefer the officer chat the person up. I trust them to be able to gauge the person they are talking to. they do it all day every day. but I hate the idea of them just assuming that they are in danger because they are talking to another human.

[BUC303]

I'm shocked! Does no one here, with not much regard to how it was handled in the video, have a freaking clue about CRS? During a stop, and IIRC it doesn't need be a traffic stop, a LEO can ask you to surrender your weapon during the duration of contact for his/her safety and must return it to you after the stop is complete if you are not to be detained. It is NOT unlawful seizure, it is simply the CO legislature putting in rules that protect our LEOs. If you are stopped while OCing and the cop asks you to surrender your weapon he is not seizing it, he's not trampling your rights, he's not violating you, he is just doing so for his protection because he doesn't know you from the next guy. Also, handing over your ID so the PD may rest assured you're not a wanted felon is OK! You're not having your rights eroded. I wish people would chill on this... one minute you're all saying that disrespecting cops is a no go (especially killing them) but then the next when one of them is simply investigating a "suspicious person with a gun" as called in by our stupid masses fellow humans, you lose your cool.

Now, granted, there was no reason for contact to begin with as our gun-toting friend here was doing not a single thing wrong

This is the argument. He was invoking his 4th amendment right to unreasonable search and seizure while the officer was detaining him and confiscating his weapon against his will. Everything stated before this wouldn't come into play if the officer had not detained him in the first place!

I guess I don't understand all of the "he should do what the cops say because it would be easier for everyone" or the "he is an ass looking for attention". Really? So despite not breaking any known law, he should forfeit his rights so the officer is happy? What country is this?

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

This is a quote from the link Cstone provided:
"What is sad is that in America the Cops count on our ignorance of the law and take from us what they are not allowed to..."

Can anyone say with a straight face that had this gentlemen not know his rights and been quick on the cell phone camera that the officer(s) involved wouldn't have jeopardized his rights further?

Also it appears that this is at least the second time he was detained against his will for open carry. It's long and only sound but ends with the same result. It also doesn't appear that the officers involved in this one confiscated his weapon so I imagine they do not have a similar law in Maine.



Here is the original

[Chad4000]

^^ ahh.. so it was the same guy. (I hadnt researched it)

so what's his point? obviously baiting the cops. which I actually think im ok with... but is he doing something to get more attention then a normal person would be when they OC? (Im talking before the cops get there)

[cstone]

There is no malevolent, unified, conspiracy by law enforcement to prey upon the ignorance of citizens. If there is, someone left me off of the distribution list and I have some catching up to do.

Some people go about their business and never have any contact with law enforcement. Some people are involved in incidents that are outside of their control and they become involved in contact with law enforcement. Some people go out of their way to seek contact with law enforcement.

There are so many laws on the books within any jurisdiction that they have specialist within the legal profession who debate what all of them mean at any given time. There is no possible way that anyone can claim to have the complete, end all, be all, in legal knowledge and also claim to be sane.

Cops don't know it all. Citizen activist don't know it all.

I learned this years ago, and I share it with anyone willing to listen or read, free of charge: You can do everything right, and still be wrong. The example I often use is the motorcyclist that does not yield the right of way to an on coming tractor trailer.

I believe that there are things worth dying for. IMO, being right all of the time is not one of them.

A wise soldier chooses his battles wisely.

Be safe.