How would any of you of handled this?

[spyder]

Here's the dictionary definition of civilian:

1. A person who is not on active duty with a military, naval, police, or fire fighting organization.

Just letting you know.

[Eggysrun]

Generally if you use tact when speaking with a police officer in situations like this they aren't gonna be dickheads. I open carry sometimes, even with police around Ive never been harassed nor did I give the public a reason to be concerned. When I open carry I use discretion (like ccw) and tact if people say anything

This video proves oregons public ignorant to gun laws (thus calling the cops) and douche bags open carrying to prove points on the internet, stirring shit up rather than protect himself.

[rondog]

I didn't watch the video, but is this the same guy that's known for putting himself in situations like this just so he can video it and put it on YouTube? The guy I'm thinking of is kind of a "baiter", in my opinion. Seen him baiting cops and Border Patrol officers before so he can spout and spew about his rights and quote laws, and get it all on camera.

<edit> Just watched a bit of it, sure sounds like the same asshole. Excercising your rights is fine, but doing it so you can bait cops and try your damnedest to piss 'em off ain't right. You can't tell me he's not doing that, because he's always prepared to video it, so that shows intent to cause a confrontation, IMO.

[mcantar18c]

Here's the dictionary definition of civilian:

1. A person who is not on active duty with a military, naval, police, or fire fighting organization.

Just letting you know.

The US gov doesn't seem to recognize whatever dictionary that came from. As I understand it, peace officer is a civilian who has been trusted by the rest of their society to uphold and enforce the rules and laws that we have created to keep our society civil. LEOs are civilians, period. Sure, there's a distinction between a regular civilian and one that is a sworn officer, but they're still civilians and any officer that thinks otherwise is sorely mistaken.
Put it this way... If a cop refuses to do what their boss tells them, they get fired. If I refuse to do what my boss tells me, I could be facing an Article 15, a chapter separation, a Court Marshall, and time in a military prison, depending on how serious the offense is. A cop can quit anytime they want. If I decide I don't want to do my job anymore, tough shit cause I'm govt. property. A cop answers to local and state entities. Military answers to the Dept. of Defense.

Also, that definition would mean that all the Nat. Guard and Reserve personell would be considered civilians, not military, and I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

ETA: The Oxford American Dictionary defines a civilian as anyone not serving in the armed forces. Says nothing about police, or fire departments, and makes no distinction between those on active-duty or reserve status.

[speedysst]

I didn't watch the video, but is this the same guy that's known for putting himself in situations like this just so he can video it and put it on YouTube? The guy I'm thinking of is kind of a "baiter", in my opinion. Seen him baiting cops and Border Patrol officers before so he can spout and spew about his rights and quote laws, and get it all on camera.

<edit> Just watched a bit of it, sure sounds like the same asshole. Excercising your rights is fine, but doing it so you can bait cops and try your damnedest to piss 'em off ain't right. You can't tell me he's not doing that, because he's always prepared to video it, so that shows intent to cause a confrontation, IMO.

My thoughts exactly. It seems to me he wanted a confrontation.

[CapLock]

I'd have fallen to the ground after the first contact from a club or a tazer. Where do these guys find such patient peace officers. That camera must have been big and in plain view with lots of witnesses around...that's what I think.

[Sharpienads]

This is how this should have gone down:

Concerned Citizen: "Hi, 911? Yeah, um there is a guy walking around with a gun."

911: "Ok, what is he doing?"

CC: "He's walking around with a gun on his hip."

911: "Is he doing anything suspicious?"

CC: "Yeah, he's walking around with a gun in a holster on his hip."

911: "That's not illegal. Goodbye."

[Flatline]

Yeah, him and deagler.

ETA: It's a sad day when anybody, especially members of a gun forum, would call an informed, law abiding citizen who is exercising his God given, 2A protected rights an "ass".

I don't know why you would identify yourself with someone who is clearly behaving poorly with the intent to cause a confrontation with the police in order to gain some sense of self satisfaction.

I am not saying that the officers involved followed the statutes verbatim in regards to open carry, however they were called to a suspicious man with a firearm. I do not believe that it was the officer's intent to impede this mans rights in any way.

I would like to strongly emphasize that this man was not defending your gun rights. He went out to either cause a confrontation with the police or satisfy some other pathological objective through his actions.

If he was protecting his/your gun rights, he would have explained what he was doing, given his identification, and done so in an appropriate and cordial manner. Because he instead acted in a self serving, rude, and confrontational manner I maintain that he is an ass.

Just to be clear, since you seem to have taking this personally, I am not calling you or anybody else in general an ass for open carrying and defending their rights. I am calling him an ass because of of his apparent intent and behavior.

[Sharpienads]

You guys keep saying he was acting suspicious. What was he doing that was suspicious? Open carrying? Or did somebody who thinks guns are scary call the cops and say he was acting suspicious based solely on the fact that he had a gun? As far as I can tell, he didn't do anything wrong.

Would I open carry just so that I could spout off some legal cases to the first cop that stopped me? No. And if that is the only reason he did it, maybe he is a bit of an ass. But that doesn't mean he did anything wrong, nor does it justify the cop forcing the guy to do anything he doesn't have to do.

[Flatline]

You guys keep saying he was acting suspicious. What was he doing that was suspicious? Open carrying? Or did somebody who thinks guns are scary call the cops and say he was acting suspicious based solely on the fact that he had a gun? As far as I can tell, he didn't do anything wrong.

I never stated that he was acting suspicious not am I accusing him of being a criminal.

Would I open carry just so that I could spout off some legal cases to the first cop that stopped me? No. And if that is the only reason he did it, maybe he is a bit of an ass. But that doesn't mean he did anything wrong, nor does it justify the cop forcing the guy to do anything he doesn't have to do.

That is exactly my point. If I thought he was a criminal I would accuse him of being a criminal. He is an ass, I called him an ass because that is what he is.

And on the cop bit, I think that the cop was not trying to impede on his rights, I think that he was called to a suspicious male with a gun (yes, the citizen who called in/call taker considered his apparent legal actions to be dangerous without there seeming to be a basis of any need for the police) and acted in a manner to protect his own safety while responding to a potentially dangerous call (most calls for a man with a gun do not turn out to be a person trying to make some type of political statement or other self serving behavior). It seems that the cop did not follow statute verbatim, but instead acted in what seemed to me to be a reasonable nature in response to the nature of the call.

I apologize if my earlier statements had mislead you.