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    Quote Originally Posted by spyder View Post
    Here's the dictionary definition of civilian:

    1. A person who is not on active duty with a military, naval, police, or fire fighting organization.

    Just letting you know.
    The US gov doesn't seem to recognize whatever dictionary that came from. As I understand it, peace officer is a civilian who has been trusted by the rest of their society to uphold and enforce the rules and laws that we have created to keep our society civil. LEOs are civilians, period. Sure, there's a distinction between a regular civilian and one that is a sworn officer, but they're still civilians and any officer that thinks otherwise is sorely mistaken.
    Put it this way... If a cop refuses to do what their boss tells them, they get fired. If I refuse to do what my boss tells me, I could be facing an Article 15, a chapter separation, a Court Marshall, and time in a military prison, depending on how serious the offense is. A cop can quit anytime they want. If I decide I don't want to do my job anymore, tough shit cause I'm govt. property. A cop answers to local and state entities. Military answers to the Dept. of Defense.

    Also, that definition would mean that all the Nat. Guard and Reserve personell would be considered civilians, not military, and I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

    ETA: The Oxford American Dictionary defines a civilian as anyone not serving in the armed forces. Says nothing about police, or fire departments, and makes no distinction between those on active-duty or reserve status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spyder View Post
    Here's the dictionary definition of civilian:

    1. A person who is not on active duty with a military, naval, police, or fire fighting organization.

    Just letting you know.
    Quote Originally Posted by mcantar18c View Post
    Also, that definition would mean that all the Nat. Guard and Reserve personell would be considered civilians, not military, and I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

    ETA: The Oxford American Dictionary defines a civilian as anyone not serving in the armed forces. Says nothing about police, or fire departments, and makes no distinction between those on active-duty or reserve status.
    I'm pretty sure the National Guard and the Reserve fall under either military, or naval (National Guard) in my quote.

    You know it's funny. The higher up the ranks, or, I don't know how to put this right now (not trying to offend anyone). I'll explain in a different way... My friend, a Ranger, was a Ranger, thinks a talk like this is retarded. He sees it as he went and chose to do something, now he's back, and he doesn't think any highly of himself than anyone else. None of this "civilian" crap (basically just thinking you're better than everyone because you serve, or served) is of any importance, and is actually annoying to him and most other respected military guys. We've had this talk before. He's had that talk many times, and many of the guys he served with and still talks to, have had those talks. They discuss the maturity level of some in the armed forces, and the need to stand out with stupid descriptions like that (the basic attitude involved) is one of their biggest things that pisses them off.

    Now I'm not trying to ruffle your feathers or anything(really I'm not), I'm just pointing out the military guys I've been around, and where I get my view points from. Trying to separate yourself like that though (again I'm used to modest and humble guys) bugs me. It's the "I'm better than you" attitude that goes with it. As some of those guys are like my "brothers from another mother" so to speak, I've taken to their way of thinking.
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