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    Quote Originally Posted by Waywardson174 View Post
    So let's say this guy is out to make himself the center of the issue. He is drawing attention to a prevalent anti-gun culture in this nation. There are more than 300 million firearms in this nation, but many more than half of us don't own a firearm. Talking to classmates, they relate "that time they shot a .22 once" as their entire firearm experience. This guy was less than polite, but he was right on every point. An officer cannot detain (that is restrain from free movement) a person without reasonable suspicion (a belief that goes beyond a hunch based on articulable facts that a person is or has committed a crime).

    When open carry is legal, it is legal and cannot be a fact on which the suspicion is based without a separate indication of unlawfulness.

    Yes, police officers have a tough job to do. But their responsibility to uphold the citizens' right is as important as enforcement of statutes. This cop did not have a reasonable suspicion to stop a this guy. An anonymous tip IS NEVER enough without something more.

    The only way to educate people about our and their rights is by acts of exercise. Whether I open or conceal carry, if it is legal then it is my right. If I am subjected to violations of that right then I have a responsibility resist the violation.

    If believe you have a right to carry, then whether you agree or not with his tactic you must support the principle, otherwise you are just another citizen slowly observing the erosion of your ability to possess, carry, and use the firearms we all hold dear.

    As an aside, the idea this guy was spoiling and ready for a confrontation is ludicrous based on the video. Few of us walk around w/o a camera phone in our pockets. If this guy were really looking to make a stink of it and get famous he would have a) focused more on capturing quality images of the confrontation, b) brought a buddy to video as a third party, or c) had a camera crew following along at a distance and mic'd himself up. The guy who "invaded" ACORN did so with pretty good hidden cameras which are obviously not present here.
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    When I see vids like this, I dream that the piece of shit making the video is getting ass raped like a doll a few days later and the same cop is the responding officer.

    Boo on the cop for his performance but boo even more on baiting a cop and then being an ostentacious prick.

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    I still don't understand why he was stopped in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Caballo Loco View Post
    I dream that the piece of shit making the video is getting ass raped like a doll a few days later and the same cop is the responding officer.
    Or the ones attempting to do the ass raping are laying dead because the guy legally exercised his rights to protect his person!

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    Well, I'm home from lunch for a few seconds. I talked with one of the guys I go to school with, he is a 25 year vet of the LA swat team, sniper. Of course we all know that Commiefornia is different... When the cops got a call about someone with a gun, they rolled up most of the time with their guns drawn. Wasn't too friendly of an interaction as he put it. Sometimes they would stop and scope the person out though to see how to handle the situation, most of the time they were busy and would just have to go in and make quick work of the call so they could go do "important" things. But that is how they handled it down there. Still waiting to see a cop here that I can ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spyder View Post
    Well, I'm home from lunch for a few seconds. I talked with one of the guys I go to school with, he is a 25 year vet of the LA swat team, sniper. Of course we all know that Commiefornia is different... When the cops got a call about someone with a gun, they rolled up most of the time with their guns drawn. Wasn't too friendly of an interaction as he put it. Sometimes they would stop and scope the person out though to see how to handle the situation, most of the time they were busy and would just have to go in and make quick work of the call so they could go do "important" things. But that is how they handled it down there. Still waiting to see a cop here that I can ask.
    Maybe you should find out what city the guy (in the video) was from. Irrelevant IMO how the "police" do it here or in Cali, since this video is in a different state. Or listen to the laws he was quoting and base it on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10mm-man View Post
    Maybe you should find out what city the guy (in the video) was from. Irrelevant IMO how the "police" do it here or in Cali, since this video is in a different state. Or listen to the laws he was quoting and base it on that.
    The police cruiser said" Portland Police" on the side, so that narrows it down an bit...Based on accents, I'm guessing Oregon
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10mm-man View Post
    Maybe you should find out what city the guy (in the video) was from. Irrelevant IMO how the "police" do it here or in Cali, since this video is in a different state. Or listen to the laws he was quoting and base it on that.
    Very true and that is why I was wanting to know what the cops here were trained to do. That way I know exactly how to handle things on my end. I just want to be as informed as I can be.
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    Naive, ignorant, pussified Americans?

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    I'm also curious if police are supposed to respond or not. It seems to me like they are, since the police show up when some a-hole calls 911 because a fast food restaurant doesn't have the food item that they want (has happened more than once in the news).

    I have a different question for police on the board. How do you respond to a "man running with a gun?" I was running and slightly open carrying the other day and a couple of police cars drove by and I covered my gun up before they passed me. I don't think I'd like to be contacted in that situation though, mostly because of where I live and how frequently the police show up. I was clearly jogging, but since I wasn't wearing spandex, a race number, and it was at 11:00 pm at night, I have to wonder how the police would have responded.
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