How would any of you of handled this?

[Irving]

I'm also curious if police are supposed to respond or not. It seems to me like they are, since the police show up when some a-hole calls 911 because a fast food restaurant doesn't have the food item that they want (has happened more than once in the news).

I have a different question for police on the board. How do you respond to a "man running with a gun?" I was running and slightly open carrying the other day and a couple of police cars drove by and I covered my gun up before they passed me. I don't think I'd like to be contacted in that situation though, mostly because of where I live and how frequently the police show up. I was clearly jogging, but since I wasn't wearing spandex, a race number, and it was at 11:00 pm at night, I have to wonder how the police would have responded.

[BlasterBob]

When a police dispatcher receives a "man with a gun" call, I'd guess the caller normally does NOT indicate if the gun guy appeared to be a nut case/wacko or if the gun appeared to be a handgun, rifle, shotgun or a machine gun or even a bazooka. I believe most of the liberal public doesn't give a shit what type it is, just that it's a damn gun, capable of doing some serious harm and some guy is out on the street with it. I believe the cops really have to check out what's going on. If they did NOT investigate, and the carrier shot someone soon after the call, there would be more than a few complaints ("well, I called the cops and they did nothing about my citizen complaint/warning").
For the cops, it's hell if they do and hell if they don't. I believe they'd rather go with the safest method and just routinely check the guy out. Also, just because he (the open carry guy) cites some laws indicating that open carry is legal in that area, that does NOT mean that he is certainly a law abiding citizen. You can bet that a lot of guys who are currently incarcerated are very familiar with many many laws and can easily cite them but that doesn't suddenly make them "good guys".
A cop/friend of mine told me many years ago that a cop frequently may have to make some quick/split second decisions that may take the courts months or even years to unravel and figure out.

[Adawg38]

What is not cool is; that you can be stopped, detained, have your property seized without reason and everyone thinks it's ok!! REALLY?

Did you guys miss the part of the law he quoted that said the "Police" couldn't do it?

Nope, I caught that part. If that is a true law there then YES he shouldn't even have been stopped. Still the officer has to respond to the call but maybe then the appropriate thing for the officer to have done is drive by and if the guy was acting in any manner that gave the officer a reason to stop him (like he asked the officer if he was stopping him for any criminal reason) However he phrased that exactly. Obviously he wasn't doing anything so the officer should of kept on his way.

[spyder]

What is not cool is; that you can be stopped, detained, have your property seized without reason and everyone thinks it's ok!! REALLY?

Did you guys miss the part of the law he quoted that said the "Police" couldn't do it?

See, and I'm not arguing the point that the cops can just stop you for no reason. I'm wondering what the case is if someone calls you in. What do the cops have to do? What are they trained to do? By all means from most of the arguements, I can go rob someone and just start walking down the streets and the cops can't do anything right? At the moment I started walking down the street normally, I wasn't doing anything to provoke contact, I should be good.... Per what the guy in the video was saying, that is how it would work right?

cop: "I'm going to have to detain you sir for suspicion of a robbery that someone called in." < I don't know what they would actyally say lol
robber: "Was I doing anything illegal right now to give you a reason to contact/detain me?"
cop: "Well no, not technically right now, we just got a call about a robbery done with a gun, and then we got a call about you walking in the area."
robber: "So are you detaining me? Did I do something illegal? You said it yourself I haven't done anything illegal......" < starts spouting off all the crap the guy on the video did...

I would think there is a point where the cops are able to see if you are a BG or not. I might not have used the best situation above, but I hope people get the point of what I'm saying. We even have people on the board here that call in others for doing something "suspicious" and start a new thread about it. We have neighborhood watch's for "suspicious" people, yet when the tables get turned every once in a while we get all upset? The confrontation should last maybe two minutes at most if you work with them. This is why I want to know what they are trained/told to do in a situation like this. If a cop just stops you because you have a gun, that's BS, I know that and I think most others do, but if someone calls you in and says you are acting suspicious and have a gun, what are the cops supposed to do?

[TFOGGER]

I'm also curious if police are supposed to respond or not. It seems to me like they are, since the police show up when some a-hole calls 911 because a fast food restaurant doesn't have the food item that they want (has happened more than once in the news).

I have a different question for police on the board. How do you respond to a "man running with a gun?" I was running and slightly open carrying the other day and a couple of police cars drove by and I covered my gun up before they passed me. I don't think I'd like to be contacted in that situation though, mostly because of where I live and how frequently the police show up. I was clearly jogging, but since I wasn't wearing spandex, a race number, and it was at 11:00 pm at night, I have to wonder how the police would have responded.

They'd have treated you like a King....
































Rodney King.

[O2HeN2]

I have heard (and will try and confirm) that how El Paso County 911 treats MWAG calls is to ask the caller what the man is doing (which is reasonable in any case). If it sounds suspicious, they roll, if not they ask a few follow-up questions along the lines of "Is the gun holstered?" "Is he just going about his business?" and if they can reasonably determine that it's just an OC carrier, they explain to the caller that what the person is doing is perfectly legal -- and don't roll.

O2

[T-Giv]

Yeah you would get the royal treatment alright, especially in Westminster!

[Chad4000]

interesting thread... I actually kinda like seeing these videos..

never had any weird experiences myself..

[10mm-man]

See, and I'm not arguing the point that the cops can just stop you for no reason. I'm wondering what the case is if someone calls you in. What do the cops have to do? What are they trained to do? By all means from most of the arguements, I can go rob someone and just start walking down the streets and the cops can't do anything right? At the moment I started walking down the street normally, I wasn't doing anything to provoke contact, I should be good.... Per what the guy in the video was saying, that is how it would work right?

cop: "I'm going to have to detain you sir for suspicion of a robbery that someone called in." < I don't know what they would actyally say lol
robber: "Was I doing anything illegal right now to give you a reason to contact/detain me?"
cop: "Well no, not technically right now, we just got a call about a robbery done with a gun, and then we got a call about you walking in the area."
robber: "So are you detaining me? Did I do something illegal? You said it yourself I haven't done anything illegal......" < starts spouting off all the crap the guy on the video did...

I would think there is a point where the cops are able to see if you are a BG or not. I might not have used the best situation above, but I hope people get the point of what I'm saying. We even have people on the board here that call in others for doing something "suspicious" and start a new thread about it. We have neighborhood watch's for "suspicious" people, yet when the tables get turned every once in a while we get all upset? The confrontation should last maybe two minutes at most if you work with them. This is why I want to know what they are trained/told to do in a situation like this. If a cop just stops you because you have a gun, that's BS, I know that and I think most others do, but if someone calls you in and says you are acting suspicious and have a gun, what are the cops supposed to do?

I think we should keep the video in context; Police get call of someone walking with gun. They drive up see guy, walking open carry, holstered, minding his own business. NO LAWS BROKE! MOVE ALONG......

Of course if guys J-Walks (illegal to do) stop him, site him and while your at it, you have his ID check him out......

Laws he quoted said they couldn't do what they did! Give them an ear full, post it everywhere, and have the officer reprimanded or better yet, have him sent to "Re-education", not the other way around...

[10mm-man]

So let's say this guy is out to make himself the center of the issue. He is drawing attention to a prevalent anti-gun culture in this nation. There are more than 300 million firearms in this nation, but many more than half of us don't own a firearm. Talking to classmates, they relate "that time they shot a .22 once" as their entire firearm experience. This guy was less than polite, but he was right on every point. An officer cannot detain (that is restrain from free movement) a person without reasonable suspicion (a belief that goes beyond a hunch based on articulable facts that a person is or has committed a crime).

When open carry is legal, it is legal and cannot be a fact on which the suspicion is based without a separate indication of unlawfulness.

Yes, police officers have a tough job to do. But their responsibility to uphold the citizens' right is as important as enforcement of statutes. This cop did not have a reasonable suspicion to stop a this guy. An anonymous tip IS NEVER enough without something more.

The only way to educate people about our and their rights is by acts of exercise. Whether I open or conceal carry, if it is legal then it is my right. If I am subjected to violations of that right then I have a responsibility resist the violation.

If believe you have a right to carry, then whether you agree or not with his tactic you must support the principle, otherwise you are just another citizen slowly observing the erosion of your ability to possess, carry, and use the firearms we all hold dear.

As an aside, the idea this guy was spoiling and ready for a confrontation is ludicrous based on the video. Few of us walk around w/o a camera phone in our pockets. If this guy were really looking to make a stink of it and get famous he would have a) focused more on capturing quality images of the confrontation, b) brought a buddy to video as a third party, or c) had a camera crew following along at a distance and mic'd himself up. The guy who "invaded" ACORN did so with pretty good hidden cameras which are obviously not present here.

AS STATED ABOVE! I couldn't have said it better, THANKS!