How would any of you of handled this?

[KevDen2005]

And I can't believe I finally caved in and let you guys drag me into this conversation.

[spyder]

Ok, well, there we have it. Thanks Kev.

I guess one last question, if someone calls in a guy with a gun, are you (the PD in general) required to check it out? Lets say a lib says that there is a suspicious guy walking down the street with a gun on his hip.

[rondog]

Thanks from me to you Kev, and all other LEO's and military folks here for doing the difficult and dangerous jobs you do to serve and protect all us unwashed schlubs.

[spyder]

Thanks from me to you Kev, and all other LEO's and military folks here for doing the difficult and dangerous jobs you do to serve and protect all us unwashed schlubs.

Hey, I took a shower this morning.

[Cylinder Head]

This sounds like the same guy who was doing this in PA about a year ago. He literally tries to bait cops into this kind of confrontation to illustrate what he sees as the PD's lack of understanding of the law.

I PA he was correct, the police had no idea he could OC legally, and when they found out they were in the wrong they were not very happy.

Portland, however, seems different. The police officer was courteous and did his best not to pistol whip this insolent little jerk. Should the cop have pulled out his own weapon beforehand? Maybe, maybe not. I would have (not a cop but I'm also not Doc Hollywood).

With the advent of bath salts, care should be taken at all times.

[Ronin13]

Well CRS says you have to, but........ were this happened it was illegal!

So If it is illegal search and seizure your saying "hand over your weapons?" Just want to clarify your stance on this.

If it's illegal then it's illegal, and compliance should be subject to the discretion of the individual. I was speaking from the stand point if contacted by a LEO here in our great state, knowing what I do (not a helluva lot in the law but enough to survive first contact with the police), I would comply with any legal orders given by the police. If asked, for mutual safety, to surrender my weapon during the duration, as per the guidelines of the CRS, I would gladly do so. If it was not legal, and he asked to search my person without PC or a warrant, I would, respectfully, decline as is per the 4th. That's my stance, I'll follow the law, and allow any LEO to do so as well, but when he wants to violate said law- either by ignorance or on purpose- I will then as tactfully and respectfully inform him of such.

Kev, I really like what you said, you can't dictate every situation to be the same, and I appreciate what you do, at least we know you're one of the good ones! Sure cops make mistakes, it's inherent in being human, and we shouldn't expect all LEOs to be 100% up on every law, but we can judge them based on how they react to being politely informed that they are about to violate basic rights when it happens. Notice in the video the cop asked to search him and he declined and the cop didn't press the issue, he simply said "Ok."

To clarify, I get peeved when people go out of their way to make a difficult job more difficult. Your rights aren't being stripped away when a cop asks to see your ID. Granted, unless you're driving, you have the option to decline, but really, I see it as a slap in the face when you refuse to even give your first name. My few friends in JCSO are nice, good, decent, hard working guys and I'm sure they would be respectful, but also a bit confused as to why someone wouldn't even give their first name. I'm not saying volunteer and give up your rights or what have you, I'm only stating that the way you deal with other people hypothetically will help dictate how you are dealt with. Be nice, be safe, and it won't kill you to be respectful... That's all I'm really saying here.

[jackthewall81]

And I can't believe I finally caved in and let you guys drag me into this conversation.

Thanks for your insight. It is good to hear it from someone in the know.

[jackthewall81]

If it's illegal then it's illegal, and compliance should be subject to the discretion of the individual. I was speaking from the stand point if contacted by a LEO here in our great state, knowing what I do (not a helluva lot in the law but enough to survive first contact with the police), I would comply with any legal orders given by the police. If asked, for mutual safety, to surrender my weapon during the duration, as per the guidelines of the CRS, I would gladly do so. If it was not legal, and he asked to search my person without PC or a warrant, I would, respectfully, decline as is per the 4th. That's my stance, I'll follow the law, and allow any LEO to do so as well, but when he wants to violate said law- either by ignorance or on purpose- I will then as tactfully and respectfully inform him of such.

Kev, I really like what you said, you can't dictate every situation to be the same, and I appreciate what you do, at least we know you're one of the good ones! Sure cops make mistakes, it's inherent in being human, and we shouldn't expect all LEOs to be 100% up on every law, but we can judge them based on how they react to being politely informed that they are about to violate basic rights when it happens. Notice in the video the cop asked to search him and he declined and the cop didn't press the issue, he simply said "Ok."

To clarify, I get peeved when people go out of their way to make a difficult job more difficult. Your rights aren't being stripped away when a cop asks to see your ID. Granted, unless you're driving, you have the option to decline, but really, I see it as a slap in the face when you refuse to even give your first name. My few friends in JCSO are nice, good, decent, hard working guys and I'm sure they would be respectful, but also a bit confused as to why someone wouldn't even give their first name. I'm not saying volunteer and give up your rights or what have you, I'm only stating that the way you deal with other people hypothetically will help dictate how you are dealt with. Be nice, be safe, and it won't kill you to be respectful... That's all I'm really saying here.

Are you prescribed adderal?

[Ronin13]

Are you prescribed adderal?

No, but I was once prescribed ritalin... Why, are you offering?

[palepainter]

And I can't believe I finally caved in and let you guys drag me into this conversation.

Always great to hear the opinions and thoughts of the guys who have to deal with this stuff daily. Thanks!!