How would any of you of handled this?

[10mm-man]

Just because someone doesn't make a phone call doesn't mean police contact results in only a consensual contact. If police can articulate a reasonable suspicion ton contact a person they don't need consent. Often times I will also ask for consent so I can articulate in my report later that there were circumstances that allowed me to contact this person AND I got consent.

That's kinda what I was thinking; even if the law says that LEO can't stop someone solely for OC, if the LEO really wants to stop you, they could wait until they could justify "reasonable suspicion" or until maybe you "jaywalked".

So maybe I am missing something and sorry if it's spelled out "between the lines", but if a call came in and you had to respond (to the OC guy) would you have to initiate contact by law? Or is it up to you at that point?

Thanks!

[KevDen2005]

That's kinda what I was thinking; even if the law says that LEO can't stop someone solely for OC, if the LEO really wants to stop you, they could wait until they could justify "reasonable suspicion" or until maybe you "jaywalked".

So maybe I am missing something and sorry if it's spelled out "between the lines", but if a call came in and you had to respond (to the OC guy) would you have to initiate contact by law? Or is it up to you at that point?

Thanks!

Generally yes I would need to contact him, but this goes back to what I was saying about information provided. What did the caller say? What did dispatch tell you?

[10mm-man]

Generally yes I would need to contact him, but this goes back to what I was saying about information provided. What did the caller say? What did dispatch tell you?

Gotcha! Thanks..........

[Ronin13]

Generally yes I would need to contact him, but this goes back to what I was saying about information provided. What did the caller say? What did dispatch tell you?

This kinda goes back to what was said earlier, sometimes it seems that it's beyond an officer's control and the blame somewhat lies with the dispatcher- it should be SOP to determine the context of any suspicion or threat:
Caller: "There is a man with a gun on the sidewalk."
Dispatcher: "What is he doing with the gun?"
C: "Nothing, it's in a holster."
D: "Is he threatening anyone or presenting a danger to the public?"
C: "No, he's just walking, but that gun is a danger to the public!"
D: "Calm down, he's well within his rights and seems to be just minding his own business, it's fine that he has a gun and he is being responsible, nothing to worry about. Have a nice day." click!

[TFOGGER]

This kinda goes back to what was said earlier, sometimes it seems that it's beyond an officer's control and the blame somewhat lies with the dispatcher- it should be SOP to determine the context of any suspicion or threat:
Caller: "There is a man with a gun on the sidewalk."
Dispatcher: "What is he doing with the gun?"
C: "Nothing, it's in a holster."
D: "Is he threatening anyone or presenting a danger to the public?"
C: "No, he's just walking, but that gun is a danger to the public!"
D: "Calm down, he's well within his rights and seems to be just minding his own business, it's fine that he has a gun and he is being responsible, nothing to worry about. Have a nice day." click!

Never happen. Dispatch isn't there to decide if a call is worth responding to. That is how lawsuits are formulated. The best they can do is to pass the info along to the responding officers, who can make an assessment on the scene about what action (if any) to take.

[Ronin13]

Never happen. Dispatch isn't there to decide if a call is worth responding to. That is how lawsuits are formulated. The best they can do is to pass the info along to the responding officers, who can make an assessment on the scene about what action (if any) to take.

Ah you're right... I guess in a more perfect world the call wouldn't even occur...

[cstone]

This video is a little long, but it gives some examples of the types of contact officers make all over the country with all types of people.

The issue doesn't have to be "open carry."

Some people want contact with LE. Some people only post the bad contact they have with officers because it fits their agenda. Some people (like the last contact in the video) actually post the good contact. There are other videos available on the Internet documenting good contact. I wish there was more. Both the good and the bad videos make good training aids for officers.

Their are hundreds of thousands of laws and millions of citizens dealing with tens of thousands of LEOs. Math makes my head hurt, and probability of getting everything right given the numbers of variables just makes me happy when everyone walks away without any serious injury.

IMO, the greatest violation of Constitutional rights is to unlawfully deprive a citizen of their life.

Be safe.

[Ronin13]

This video is a little long, but it gives some examples of the types of contact officers make all over the country with all types of people.

The issue doesn't have to be "open carry."

Some people want contact with LE. Some people only post the bad contact they have with officers because it fits their agenda. Some people (like the last contact in the video) actually post the good contact. There are other videos available on the Internet documenting good contact. I wish there was more. Both the good and the bad videos make good training aids for officers.

Their are hundreds of thousands of laws and millions of citizens dealing with tens of thousands of LEOs. Math makes my head hurt, and probability of getting everything right given the numbers of variables just makes me happy when everyone walks away without any serious injury.

IMO, the greatest violation of Constitutional rights is to unlawfully deprive a citizen of their life.

Be safe.

I will say this, they were trying to progress their agenda but some of those cops were a little difficult to deal with. I'm just upset that they're trying to push their "9/11 Truth" BS and that they're from Denver. But the last Deputy was awesome.

[asmo]

Absolutely BRAVO to the last officer. Perfect handling of the situation. As the Israelis figured out a while back, sometimes its just better to talk with people than to come out swinging.