Political Ramifications of SCOTUS ruling

[hatidua]

You cannot legislate responsiblity or morality that is the problem with the government getting involved in things that are not their concern.

That won't stop both sides of the political aisle from doing just that, for eternity.

[Ronin13]

This brings to mind, what happens when the gooberment decides that my VA coverage for being in the 50%+ club isn't adequate healthcare and starts taxing me? My job doesn't offer healthcare coverage and I hardly ever go to the doctor as it is... WTF? It seems stupid to force people to buy something they won't need.

[mutt]

Am I the only one who thinks its not that bad? It's a fee for people that wait until they're sick to get health insurance. Sounds kind of fair to the insurance companies.

You seriously think is is perfectly acceptable that I am being taxed for simply existing?

It's far more than that. You can now be taxed/penalized for not doing/buying something. If congress decides everyone needs to drive a hybrid, but I don't want one, they can tax me for not buying one. I hate the taste of liver but congress decides everyone should eat it - they can tax me for choosing not to eat liver. This has given congress unlimited power. There is nothing they cannot do via coercive taxation that forces people to participate in an existing market, or creates a new market, they then regulate via the commerce clause.

I can see this happening - In the future congress decides in order to curb unsustainable population growth, mass birth control is necessary. Women who choose not to take one of several approved chemical birth control methods provided by government sanctioned corporate suppliers are subject to a 'shared excess population burden' penalty. This penalty will still apply to women who don't plan to have any children or would rather use natural birth control methods allowed by their own conscience/religious teachings. I know there are plenty of you who have religious objections to artificial birth control and family planning. Welcome to the new Amerika.

There is something very wrong happening in this country and John Roberts is no friend to liberty. The ideas of limited government and personal freedom died today.

[JohnTRourke]

Medicaid




Leaves no real reasons to try to succeed. Sit at home, collect TANF, food stamps, Medicaid and Obummer will take care of you.

exactly
for 25 years i've been stupid
working hard, playing by the rules, paying ridiculous amount of taxes

no more
i'm done

bring me my free shit

I'm done "contributing"

you wanted it, you got it, I no longer will be pulling the wagon, I'll be sitting my fat ass inside of it. Pull faster you donkeys.

[MED]

It's far more than that. You can now be taxed/penalized for not doing/buying something. If congress decides everyone needs to drive a hybrid, but I don't want one, they can tax me for not buying one. I hate the taste of liver but congress decides everyone should eat it - they can tax me for choosing not to eat liver. This has given congress unlimited power. There is nothing they cannot do via coercive taxation that forces people to participate in an existing market, or creates a new market, they then regulate via the commerce clause.

I can see this happening - In the future congress decides in order to curb unsustainable population growth, mass birth control is necessary. Women who choose not to take one of several approved chemical birth control methods provided by government sanctioned corporate suppliers are subject to a 'shared excess population burden' penalty. This penalty will still apply to women who don't plan to have any children or would rather use natural birth control methods allowed by their own conscience/religious teachings. I know there are plenty of you who have religious objections to artificial birth control and family planning. Welcome to the new Amerika.

There is something very wrong happening in this country and John Roberts is no friend to liberty. The ideas of limited government and personal freedom died today.

I agree with what you said. The feds did it to bring states inline and now they are going to do it with individuals.

This is absolutely an assault on liberty! Roberts really betrayed us!

[Wiggity]

Forget gun control. By the time they get done with us, no one is going to have enough money to buy/shoot guns.

[DeusExMachina]

I think everyone's being a little over dramatic.

The bill removed a whole bunch of ways that insurance companies can fuck you over. Like not insuring you due to pre-existing conditions, instituting lifetime caps, dropping you for no reason, etc. In my opinion, there's a lot of good there.

In return, if you do not purchase insurance, you have to pay a tax to the IRS. Which in 2014 will be $95 per adult. This is because there will be people who will want to wait to get insurance until they are sick, because the insurance companies will have to give it to them regardless. That is unless health insurance will cost someone more than 8% of their income, and then this fee is not applied.

This is not end of the world type stuff, people.

[Ridge]

I think the cost goes up to something like $690/person/year in 2016. Which is still cheaper than any private insurance plan.

[flan7211]

I think everyone's being a little over dramatic.

The bill removed a whole bunch of ways that insurance companies can fuck you over. Like not insuring you due to pre-existing conditions, instituting lifetime caps, dropping you for no reason, etc. In my opinion, there's a lot of good there.

In return, if you do not purchase insurance, you have to pay a tax to the IRS. Which in 2014 will be $95 per adult. This is because there will be people who will want to wait to get insurance until they are sick, because the insurance companies will have to give it to them regardless. That is unless health insurance will cost someone more than 8% of their income, and then this fee is not applied.

This is not end of the world type stuff, people.

I see your point, but the insurance is not the point. It is the fact that the feds are requiring you to pay for a service that you can't avoid. It makes sense when they make you buy auto insurance, you drive. If they make you buy health insurance there is no opt out. You can avoid driving you can't avoid this. This is a tax you can't avoid. Every other tax in this nation can somehow be avoided. Don't purchase a product, don't have an income, or don't use a service. Being alive under this constitutes a tax. That is a dangerous road, as all voluntary action has ended. At least the states can opt out but at what other cost? Transportation funds, FEMA response, or federal law enforcement? This is the gross bastardization of the commerce clause. It was created to prevent states from putting duties and tariffs on each other not federal power over all goods and services.

[00tec]

I think everyone's being a little over dramatic.

The bill removed a whole bunch of ways that insurance companies can fuck you over. Like not insuring you due to pre-existing conditions, instituting lifetime caps, dropping you for no reason, etc. In my opinion, there's a lot of good there.

In return, if you do not purchase insurance, you have to pay a tax to the IRS. Which in 2014 will be $95 per adult. This is because there will be people who will want to wait to get insurance until they are sick, because the insurance companies will have to give it to them regardless. That is unless health insurance will cost someone more than 8% of their income, and then this fee is not applied.

This is not end of the world type stuff, people.

So, force me to buy something from the private sector, or tax my existence?

As far as I am aware, in this state, if you don't pay your medical bills, they sue you and garnish your paycheck anyway.

You don't have cable, therefore you are more likely to steal it. You will now either obtain cable or send the government money to pay for the people who steal cable.

Good riddance.