Obama cut air tankers...really?

[Ronin13]

Sure did. Haven't decided for this round though. I've voted for Democrats, Republicans and Independents. I'm actually a registered Republican.

Just voicing my belief, but I don't think I'd like you very much. Anyone who supports Obama, either past, present, or future, I believe fits into one of the following categories:
-Ignorant/uninformed
-Hates America (either actually does or through ignorance without knowing they are thinking against America's best interest)
-Socialist (full on, closet, or slightly, doesn't matter)
or
-Mentally handicapped
Just my opinion on the matter, I don't see how you can get behind a person who clearly wants to dismantle the constitution, destroy the America we know and love, and "change" things for the worse. Karl Marx would probably even think he's doing it wrong... but all in all, I urge you to screw your head back on correctly and vote against him this time around. Sorry, but lost some respect for you after learning that you're part of the reason we're in the mess we're in now due to your voting for that POS.

ETA: But Rucker, I'm very curious, what made you decide to vote for "hope and change" in '08 instead of McCain/Palin?

[HBARleatherneck]

Just voicing my belief, but I don't think I'd like you very much. Anyone who supports Obama, either past, present, or future, I believe fits into one of the following categories:
-
-Hates America
or
-Mentally handicapped

Just my opinion on the matter, I don't see how you can get behind a person who clearly wants to dismantle the constitution, destroy the America we know and love, and "change" things for the worse.

i agree

[sniper7]

It's bullshit like this that got me to loathe arfcom before I was banned. Some of you guys in here only want an echo chamber. Any differing opinions or new ideas are bad because they don't fit in with your preconcieved ides.

How about instead of us fucking attacking each other over petty bullshit, we work together and use the shooting hobby to find common ground?

Assuming half you loudmouths even own a gun anymore.

it takes more than voicing your opinion to get banned from arfcom. if it were that simple they wouldn't have any members.

The reason Rucker is getting it from all sides is because he is just like ERNO and crew... It is very easy to spot a liberal. Everyone wants to give them a piece of their mind on here, explain their stupidity, yet they don't get it, don't understand, won't even try. that is why they get ignored.

As to "petty bullshit"...how is this petty bullshit? we are talking about our daily lives being affected, our bottom dollars, our kids future. those are not something I would classify as "petty bullshit".

[Ridge]

it takes more than voicing your opinion to get banned from arfcom. if it were that simple they wouldn't have any members.

I got banned for wishing everyone a Happy Zombie Jesus day during Easter last year.

You can totally get banned for voicing your opinion, as long as the right people disagree with it.

[Ronin13]

Never called him a name...read my post. I guessed he voted for Obama.
Think he's doing just fine defending himself without you having to defend his honor. Get over yourself.

Liberalism does not support gun ownership. Liberalism is a leftist cause. It moves more and more every day towards a final agenda. Slowly eroding iur basic rights and freedoms. How can the 2nd amend exist when the goal of the left is no more guns? Think the UN wants gun ownership? Obama? Holder? Feinstein? Compare a liberal from 70 years ago to today's liberal- black and white. FDR encouraged prayer and defending yourself. When is the last time a liberal politician did that?

Just FYI, and this is a pretty good assessment. Not every liberal is far left anti-gun, just like not every conservative is far right uber-religious. There are degrees and some are on the far left, but some are closer to the middle. I have plenty of friends who are liberals but they love guns, love shooting, and believe that the 2nd is just as important as the 1st- some even acknowledge that the 2nd protects the 1st! So put down the brush and stop painting everything the same color.

[Rucker61]

Just voicing my belief, but I don't think I'd like you very much.

No problem. You don't have to like anyone. You don't even have to read my posts. I'm pretty thick skinned, or I wouldn't be here still.

Anyone who supports Obama, either past, present, or future, I believe fits into one of the following categories:
-Ignorant/uninformed
-Hates America (either actually does or through ignorance without knowing they are thinking against America's best interest)
-Socialist (full on, closet, or slightly, doesn't matter)
or
-Mentally handicapped

You're entitled to your own opinion. That's what makes this country great.

Just my opinion on the matter, I don't see how you can get behind a person who clearly wants to dismantle the constitution, destroy the America we know and love, and "change" things for the worse.

Mainly because I don't believe that any of those things are happening. I don't believe that America is at risk of being destroyed, and we'll have to agree to disagree on that. By the same token, I feel consider that the PATRIOT ACT provision (I or II, not enacted I believe, but asked for) that allowed the Federal government to remove a person's citizenship without due process to be an act to dismantle the Constitution.

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Karl Marx would probably even think he's doing it wrong... but all in all, I urge you to screw your head back on correctly and vote against him this time around. Sorry, but lost some respect for you after learning that you're part of the reason we're in the mess we're in now due to your voting for that POS.

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That implies that a), you had some and b) still have some respect for me. I guess that's all I can ask for. I respect you for your service and civility here.

ETA: But Rucker, I'm very curious, what made you decide to vote for "hope and change" in '08 instead of McCain/Palin?

Palin was a large part of that, and the tendency of the Republican Party to protect/encourage the Wall Street assholes to destroy our economy to line their own nests. Also, I tend to lean towards platforms that provide protection for children and old people, like medical care, etc. I actually joined the Republican Party to vote for McCain in 2000 in the primary against George Bush.

Like I said, I still haven't made up my mind. It's been stated here by more than one poster that there aren't any good choices. I don't necessarily consider higher taxes a Bad Thing (boooooo from the crowd). We are in a serious bad position from the economic crisis that started in 2007 as a country and as a world economy. It's all interlinked now, so we really can't focus on just the US from a politco-economic view and expect to succeed.

Budgets are getting cut everywhere at all levels of government; our education system sucks compared to that of our competitive countries; our infrastructure is getting pretty old and needs addressing; and the "job creators" aren't necessary motivated to invest in the US. It can be argued that our corporate tax structure is too high, but it can be argued that the effective tax rates are more indicative of the true burden to corporations. With a world economy, big companies will go where the money is, and do anything to keep it. It's their right, for sure, but it doesn't necessarily help the US.

I'm willing to look at all sides of an issue, but I will admit to having a bias against demagogues, left and right. I feel that Michael Moore is as big of a lying blowhard as the rest of you do. I put people like Glenn Beck in the same boat.

That said, which is better: Pachmyer or Limbsaver?

[sniper7]

I got banned for wishing everyone a Happy Zombie Jesus day during Easter last year.

You can totally get banned for voicing your opinion, as long as the right people disagree with it.

arfcom aside, do you still think that all these issues are "petty bullshit", and we should welcome rucker with open arms? He can voice his opinions all he wants, but around here they are going to come with some serious backlash.

you telling the guys around here to not rip him and play nice is equivalent to someone walking into a gay bar and start calling them all derogatory names. yeah...that person can voice their opinion but they aren't going to like the results.

[Ridge]

arfcom aside, do you still think that all these issues are "petty bullshit", and we should welcome rucker with open arms? He can voice his opinions all he wants, but around here they are going to come with some serious backlash.

you telling the guys around here to not rip him and play nice is equivalent to someone walking into a gay bar and start calling them all derogatory names. yeah...that person can voice their opinion but they aren't going to like the results.

This is a forum about guns. Not about politics. He likes guns, we should welcome him. Fuck politics. You want that, go join the RNC forums.

[BushMasterBoy]

Could an asteroid have started this fire? Thats a scary thought. Sometimes they have to evacuate the International Space Station because of meteors. NORAD and Space Command have stopped releasing data to astronomers of their asteroid observations. If the government would do their job of protecting us better this kind of disaster wouldn't be an issue. They better fix this air tanker situation...sometimes your survival means being able to read between the lines!

http://wildfiretoday.com/tag/air-tanker/

[sniper7]

This is a forum about guns. Not about politics. He likes guns, we should welcome him. Fuck politics. You want that, go join the RNC forums.

so then why do we have a political forum? Why have you responded to threads in that political forum? Why do you feel the need to defend another member who is fully capable of typing out his own statements just like everyone else, he can ignore them like everyone else, he has to play under the same rules and guidelines like everyone else?

If you don't like politics, don't come in and play. If you don't like to see rucker get attacked on issues that can have strong feelings, you are more than welcome to not read the threads or the responses.

and if want to take a further look, we also have forums for vehicles, hunting, pictures, jokes, survival, knives. and we have dealers that sell things that are gun related and some that are not. I would have to say this is more than a forum about JUST guns.