Color case hardening

[kidicarus13]

Well, I guess we got that straightened out.

[Goodburbon]

Mr. Adam ,

If you'd had made your earlier dogmatic statements in the manner you did above, you could have avoided this whole discussion. But you did not. You made a positive statement based on your limited understanding, when the reality is, you had no idea how the process used by Olympic Arms works, or how it affects the material upon which the process is delivered. If this has caused you embarrassment, I do apologize, but I quoted in context, and quoted you exactly. Everyone who read your comments understands your earlier remarks are intimating that providing a case color hardened finish to a 1911 slide would (And I quote you again) "ruin it". I did not choose those words, YOU did, and I do not know how they can be misunderstood.

If anyone reading this has any questions with regards to the process, I'll make you the same offer I have made Mr. Adam , the real author behind the remarks of "spyder", I'm happy to address them. I can be reached at tom@olyarms.com.

What a wonderful display of vindictive posting from a manufacturing rep. who apparently lacks reading comprehension skills.

IBTL

[aahorn]

So, I taught a class today on color case hardening. I used a Sears .410 that I am going to end up rebarreling in .223 most likely. Anyway, here is my project receiver that I did today along with two test plates:

Nice!

That is awesome!

Pretty cool. Next time you are really bored you could try that with a 1911 slide.

That would ruin your slide... it would break because it would be too hard/brittle for a part that takes abuse like that. I didn't do it to the hammer that goes to the gun because the last one I did, broke on my classmates gun. I am working on other process though to get some really nice colors that don't take too much heat to make.

Those look great!

I had no idea. I just remember Olympic Arms used to offer a case hardened 1911 and I always thought it was kind of cool.

That is very cool, I wonder why they stopped making them though?

Volkmann also does case hardening for 1911s...

Oly still makes them. They come in 3 sizes

I just emailed them as a very interested customer... I wanted to know how they were able to pull it off basically. Lets see if they answer.

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Mr. Adam ,

If you'd had made your earlier dogmatic statements in the manner you did above, you could have avoided this whole discussion. But you did not. You made a positive statement based on your limited understanding, when the reality is, you had no idea how the process used by Olympic Arms works, or how it affects the material upon which the process is delivered. If this has caused you embarrassment, I do apologize, but I quoted in context, and quoted you exactly. Everyone who read your comments understands your earlier remarks are intimating that providing a case color hardened finish to a 1911 slide would (And I quote you again) "ruin it". I did not choose those words, YOU did, and I do not know how they can be misunderstood.

If anyone reading this has any questions with regards to the process, I'll make you the same offer I have made Mr. Adam , the real author behind the remarks of "spyder", I'm happy to address them. I can be reached at tom@olyarms.com.

tom i don't know spyder and have no dog in the fight but its pretty obvious spyder was speaking with what knowledge/technique he has/uses. it appears he had no idea of your products or any other 1911's with color case hardening or your process. after reading your emails back and forth you come off like a really big dick and instead of treating potential customers respectfully and understanding that he may not know everything about every technique. you probably lost some customers with your action, after all people were commenting on how cool the hardening looked and how it would be great on a 1911, then a picture of your product was posted with people interested in your product. a truly embarrassing moment for oly arms. fail

[aahorn]

What a wonderful display of vindictive posting from a manufacturing rep. who apparently lacks reading comprehension skills.

IBTL

agreed.

i think my 2 month old daughter has better reading comprehension skills.

[Mazin]

Interesting to see a "Rep" coming out on a very public forum and potentialy harming his Business by insulting / degrading a potential customer / customer base. I sincerly hope that this "Rep's" supervisor does not find out that he just alienated their companys customer base. I for one will not be spending any of my hard earned money on any Olympic arms product and will reccomend others to do the same.
Thanks Tom!

[spyder]

And this is his last email which I found a couple minutes ago in my email:

Adam,

Sorry that the facts in the case leave you wanting. My lack of professionalism in your mind is sound exposition of fact and truth on mine. You are of course welcome to your opinion, but your comments were, and still are, very off base, and founded in a limited understanding of the process of which you questioned, and this industry as a whole. I do not need further education on a process that this company has been using successfully for nearly ten years, and that I understand perfectly well, and you sir, clearly do not.

My comments, both public and private, stand firm on their merit alone – I do not need to back-peddle or try to submit them in the err of altered context to be properly understood. Again, if you have questions, I’m happy to address them.




Tom Spithaler
Sales Dir.
Olympic Arms, Inc.
www.olyarms.com
1-800-228-3471
FAX: 360-491-3447


Ya, at this point, I'm done with it, I guess we'll agree to disagree about this...

[Goodburbon]

That is one impressive display of douchebaggery. I want to print this thread, frame it and put it on my wall.

[J]

I'm dumbfounded as to how this all went down.

[10mm-man]

Mr. Adam ,

If you'd had made your earlier dogmatic statements in the manner you did above, you could have avoided this whole discussion. But you did not. You made a positive statement based on your limited understanding, when the reality is, you had no idea how the process used by Olympic Arms works, or how it affects the material upon which the process is delivered. If this has caused you embarrassment, I do apologize, but I quoted in context, and quoted you exactly. Everyone who read your comments understands your earlier remarks are intimating that providing a case color hardened finish to a 1911 slide would (And I quote you again) "ruin it". I did not choose those words, YOU did, and I do not know how they can be misunderstood.

If anyone reading this has any questions with regards to the process, I'll make you the same offer I have made Mr. Adam the real author behind the remarks of "spyder", I'm happy to address them. I can be reached at tom@olyarms.com.

I know not to deal with Oly and glad he came on to show his true un professional attitude. This is an example of why companies like that usually go out of business. Instead of being professional and taking the high road he just let his ego get the best of him. Hopefully the company gets smart and gets rid of this guy.

I would forward on to a higher up and invite them on the forum. I don't think you did anything wrong Spyder....

[Wakesurfer]

Wow, just wow. I can honestly say that I will never give Olympic Arms any of my hard earned money, and they have Tom to thank for that.