So now that the government can prosecute you for not buying health insurace what is next?

[cofi]

too me i would think we would want all our fellow americans healthy as can be.....i have love for everyone in this country rich/poor if it means i have to have a higher tax rate so be it.....i watched my ex girlfriends mom die of throat cancer because the hospitals pressured her to go into hospice care and just die because it would be cheaper for them.....that is not right

healthcare is a right in 99% of the rest of the world

this fake ass shit that oboma came up with sucks a dick and needs to be thrown out

[roberth]

too me i would think we would want all our fellow americans healthy as can be.....i have love for everyone in this country rich/poor if it means i have to have a higher tax rate so be it.....i watched my ex girlfriends mom die of throat cancer because the hospitals pressured her to go into hospice care and just die because it would be cheaper for them.....that is not right

healthcare is a right in 99% of the rest of the world

this fake ass shit that oboma came up with sucks a dick and needs to be thrown out

I had all kinds of responses to this. I'll go with this one.

You're too selfish and emotionally invested in this event that happened to you to rationally and reasonably discuss why healthcare is not a right.

[cofi]

I had all kinds of responses to this. I'll go with this one.

You're too selfish and emotionally invested in this event that happened to you to rationally and reasonably discuss why healthcare is not a right.

it would seem to me that people who didnt want to pay a little more in taxes for the greater good of the country are the selfish ones.....just me though

[roberth]

it would seem to me that people who didnt want to pay a little more in taxes for the greater good of the country are the selfish ones.....just me though

I knew you were going to say that, you're so predictable and I don't even know you.

If I volunteer my money to help someone that is one thing.

If you take my money through the force of government and give to someone else then you've just put your own desires ahead of mine. Tell me which one is selfish.

[Sawin]

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If I volunteer my money to help someone that is one thing.

If you take my money through the force of government and give to someone else then you've just put your own desires ahead of mine. Tell me which one is selfish.

+1. Has been my stance all along.

[xring]

too me i would think we would want all our fellow americans healthy as can be.....i have love for everyone in this country rich/poor if it means i have to have a higher tax rate so be it.....i watched my ex girlfriends mom die of throat cancer because the hospitals pressured her to go into hospice care and just die because it would be cheaper for them.....that is not right

healthcare is a right in 99% of the rest of the world

this fake ass shit that oboma came up with sucks a dick and needs to be thrown out

IMHO Cofi you are both right and wrong.

I like you have seen a girl friend unable to get decent medical services.
A individual with a work ethic - well she works her ass off.
I didnt have to watch her die though, thats rough.

Health Care is not a right.

Police services are not a right.

Fire protection is not a right.

Now If I see another human or a animal suffering or in need of help Im going to try to help them IF I am able. An extension of that is to have educated and trained professionals do the job more efficently.

Where i agree with you is it seems evident to me that we should provide health care along with fire and police services. I also agree with you that single payer is the only option, demonstratably half the price of our insurance method (%GDP per citizen). If we insist on insurance being the exclusive provider of humanitarian services provided by the goverment than i think police and fire should also be mandated insurance only. Im paying the extra money and getting getting Blackwater for my police insurance!

Our capability to provide humanitarian services as a nation are constrained by our resources. There is no magic wand. Our debt to GDP is over 100%. We own half of our own debt via the Federal reserve buying US Treasuries. These are remarkable indeed incredible indicators and the results of these magic wand practices may soon render our debate on health care and other subjects moot. The dems wave the wand and things appear. The repubs wave the wand and things appear. They cage fight for the wand. THe affordable health care act is so encompassing, so innefficent,so ill thought out, so pandering to special interests, that I have a hard time discerning its true pupouse if any.

The derivitive known as insurance is a symptom of the magic wand. Just because we hold a policy does not guarantee that we will all get 3 millon dollars of medical treatment. WE pay in say 180 thousand over a liftime ( minus profit and operating cost of insurance) but get 3 millon out? Who makes up the difference? The wand. Money for nothing and the chicks for free. Interesting times!

[hollohas]

It took me all of about 45 seconds to find out how the IRS will handle "noncompliance".

This is from Senator Patrick Leahy's website:

Fact vs. Fiction
Fiction
If you don't buy health insurance, you will be sent to jail.
Fact

Taxpayers who are required to purchase health insurance and do not will receive a notice from the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) with the amount of the penalty they owe. Individuals who fail to pay the penalty are not subject to criminal prosecutions and the government cannot file notice of lein or levy any property for a taxpayer who doesn’t pay the penalty.
The obligation for individuals to purchase health insurance beginning in 2014 was included as part of the Affordable Care Act. The provision requires individuals to maintain minimum essential coverage for themselves and their dependents or pay a penalty of $95 in 2014. Families would pay half the amount for children, and the requirement includes a cap on the total allowable fine per family. If affordable health insurance coverage is not available to an individual, then the penalty would be waived. Along with the individual responsibility requirement, the Affordable Care Act also provides subsidies to some individuals beginning in 2014 to help pay for their health insurance premiums and other costs associated with their health insurance.
Taxpayers who are required to pay a fine but fail to do so will receive a notice from Internal Revenue Service (IRS). If an individual still neglects to pay the fine, the IRS can attempt to collect the funds by reducing the amount of their tax refund in the future. Individuals who fail to pay the penalty, however, will not be subject to criminal prosecution. The government cannot file notice of lien or levy on any property for a taxpayer who does not pay the penalty.

I don't see one place in this explanation that says they won't continue to send you this "notice" ( I read that as "BILL") and charge interest on it every month you don't pay the penalty. Sure, they may not be able to garnish your wages or put a lien on your house, but nowhere does this say your "penalty" will ever go away if you don't pay.

Are you going to lose your house for not paying? Nope. Are you going to be prosecuted for not paying? Nope. Are you going to have a massive delinquent tax bill if you don't pay for years? According to all of the explanations I have seen, nothings says a non-paid penalty WON'T follow you for life so one has to believe it be on you like white on rice.

And the IRS will find a way to get you to pay it somehow. All of the arguments say there are only two specific ways they CAN'T make you pay...prosecution and lien/levy. I am sure the IRS won't have any problems finding another way to get you to pay other than the refund route. I don't think we have any IRS experts here but we all know that the IRS ALWAYS gets their money one way or another.

Maybe I missed the part where the laws says a non-paid penalty will go away, so please school me if that's the case.

The tax/penalty is the least of my worries though. It's the idea behind it that worries me. What is the next thing they will charge us a tax/penalty for not buying? This Supreme Court ruling just opened the Pandora's box of taxing/fining American Citizens for not buying something that our brilliant government believes everyone needs to buy in order to help the greater good. The power that the Feds were just handed with the precedent this ruling created is downright scary.

[Irving]

Cofi, it is not my responsibility to provide the means for other people's desires. You can not make something a right, when it puts an undue burden on others.

You still haven't attempted to answer my question as toba single instance of someone in this country being denied health care.

[Irving]

Xring, the difference between what you pay into insurance and what your limits are, is not made up by the magic wand. That is built into the business model, just like every other business where volume of customers makes up for the high costs of a few.

[aahorn]

too me i would think we would want all our fellow americans healthy as can be.....i have love for everyone in this country rich/poor if it means i have to have a higher tax rate so be it.....i watched my ex girlfriends mom die of throat cancer because the hospitals pressured her to go into hospice care and just die because it would be cheaper for them.....that is not right

healthcare is a right in 99% of the rest of the world

this fake ass shit that oboma came up with sucks a dick and needs to be thrown out

99% of the rest of the world? yep all over the continents of asia, africa and south america the benevolent governments are treating their people.

you may want everyone to be healthy, happy, blah blah blah but this leads down a slippery slope which i believe is the original purpose of this post by roberth..

once you created this program where everyone is forced to pay for each other's health you then open the door to rules to control each other's lifestyle in the sake of driving health care costs down.

go look at your neighbor to the north. he smokes? well thats a healthcare burden to the country. if he contiunes smoking we must tax him more.

neighbor to the east. hes a fat POS? well he must log 7 hours of intense work out time at a government approved gym with a instructor signing of on his activity. Why? cuz his fat ass drives up health care costs. if he doesnt we will tax him more.

is that little billy to your south drinking a slurpee and having a candy bar? well those are deemed unhealthy by the government panel in charge of deciding what those in the healthcare system can eat. well little billy's folks will get a tax for him eating those.

what we will see happen from this dumb law if it is not repealed is another horribly under funded system. eventually it will become a marginal tax pulling all of its funding from borrowed funds and the rich. its all about winning some elections in the short run for the libtards.