was this "accident" caused by horizontal shoulder holster???

[Sawin]

this whole thing stinks, I believe most of these "accidents" are not accidents at all. A good quality weapon will NOT fire unless the trigger is depressed, period. Fishy.

I tend to agree with you Stevelkinevil. As soon as I read the opening paragraph of the story, I thought "there's got to be a lot more to this story than that...". I doubt we'll ever know the circumstances of this tragedy. I wonder what witnesses have to say about it?

[spqrzilla]

I'm still confused regarding the geometry.

[Teufelhund]

From a different website I read that the gun was a S&w m&p 40. The suggestion was that you could "stage" the trigger (pulling it back halfway disengaging the safety, and then release it and the safety would not reset). At that point it would be much easier to fire, even if it just took a shock. Anyone have any experience with this? Is this plausible? Is this a m&p issue only? Would Glock, xdm, sig, have the same issue? Any m&p exPerts out there?

I assume you're talking about the trigger safety? I hadn't heard this before, so I pulled an M&P out of the safe to try it out, but there doesn't seem to be any way to do it as far as I can tell. The safety re-engages as soon as you let go of the trigger. Maybe one of our reputable gunsmiths on here can chime in.

[OneGuy67]

"The married officer, who has not been named, claims that he did not know Ms Miller and that she turned up to a party at his house with a group of her friends.

The police have said that Ms Miller hugged the officer from behind, her mother was told by friends that her daughter 'was being a little flirty' with the man and hugged him face-to-face."


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz208bZAZkg


"Police said that Miller hugged the officer -- whose name has not been released -- from behind as he was dancing, and the gun discharged.


However, McNair said she also was told her daughter “was being a little flirty” with the officer and the gun fired as they were in a face-to-face hug.
If you’re at a party, she asked, “why do you need a weapon with a round in the chamber?”

John Goldpaugh, a lawyer for the Detroit Police Officers Association, said, “This was just a freak accident. They were having a party and the next thing, a woman is dead. He’s devastated by what happened.”

Goldpaugh, who spent several hours with the officer after the shooting, said the veteran beat patrolman was hosting a party at his home and was dancing with his wife when Miller came up behind him and tugged at his waist.

“And the gun went off,” Goldpaugh said. “It’s a fluke accidental shooting.”
The weapon, a department-issued, 40-caliber Smith & Wesson semiautomatic pistol, was in a holster worn inside the officer’s waistband and was covered by his shirt, Goldpaugh said."

I'm still confused as to how this occured. Cheapy suede holster? Cross draw?

[Sawin]

"The married officer, who has not been named, claims that he did not know Ms Miller and that she turned up to a party at his house with a group of her friends.

The police have said that Ms Miller hugged the officer from behind, her mother was told by friends that her daughter 'was being a little flirty' with the man and hugged him face-to-face."


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz208bZAZkg


"Police said that Miller hugged the officer -- whose name has not been released -- from behind as he was dancing, and the gun discharged.


However, McNair said she also was told her daughter “was being a little flirty” with the officer and the gun fired as they were in a face-to-face hug.
If you’re at a party, she asked, “why do you need a weapon with a round in the chamber?”

John Goldpaugh, a lawyer for the Detroit Police Officers Association, said, “This was just a freak accident. They were having a party and the next thing, a woman is dead. He’s devastated by what happened.”

Goldpaugh, who spent several hours with the officer after the shooting, said the veteran beat patrolman was hosting a party at his home and was dancing with his wife when Miller came up behind him and tugged at his waist.

“And the gun went off,” Goldpaugh said. “It’s a fluke accidental shooting.”
The weapon, a department-issued, 40-caliber Smith & Wesson semiautomatic pistol, was in a holster worn inside the officer’s waistband and was covered by his shirt, Goldpaugh said."

I'm still confused as to how this occured. Cheapy suede holster? Cross draw?

For it to have hit her in the lung and heart, she must have been down on her knees hugging him around the waist....

[Skully]

For it to have hit her in the lung and heart, she must have been down on her knees hugging him around the waist....

It didn't say how tall she was she might be short................

[Bailey Guns]

Could there possibly be any more discrepancies in this story? Someone is not telling the entire truth.

[sabot_round]

Agreed!! The entire story makes as much sense as putting a screendoor on a submarine.

[trlcavscout]

Maybe she grabbed the wrong gun while hugging him from behind and the wife shot her? Pretty wierd story, IWB holster shoots her in heart and lung. This has the makings of a bad B jean claude movie.

[Cylinder Head]

Something like a Galco Miami Classic would put the gun in a position to go off in such a way. I just can't see how that would happen unless the officer had either a shitty imitation holster or some really light trigger job (like the FSS trigger for M&P)