Quote Originally Posted by foxtrot
Well, thats one guy that wont offend anybody if he gives them the finger [pirate]
Anyway, I'm one of those guys that has to see whats in the chamber right before he dry fires anything, regardless of if I already know whats there. Call it habit, call it what you want but imo.. guns dont accidentally discharge... the trigger gets pulled with one in the chamber, and generally its no accident. I'd take a guy that checks before he pulls that only uses loaded rounds before I'd take a guy that knows their is only snap caps in his magazine in a training course so it is safe to dry fire. Imo, the former is safer then the latter.

In almost every case of an "accidental discharge" the accident is that the shooter did something unsafe, either handling, loading, unloading, or the biggest reason: assuming. I'm willing to bet that "accidental discharges" without a lapse in saftey or judgement almost never happen.

I put one through a wall once, but luckly my level of safe handling kept anyone from being hurt. I was on one of my 20 hour work benders, had just gotten home and cleaned my carbine to go shooting the next day. Somehow grabbed my loaded mag to dry fire it. Serious mistake because A: didnt check the chamber before I pulled B: Was doing this with a serious lack of sleep. However, no one was (or could have been) at risk of injury because of the way I operate, the gun was pointed in an assured safe direction.

Keep in mind people, in most cases the only time you can kill somebody accidentally is when you pull the trigger purposely. Always check before you pull.

My .02
Glad somebody gets it. [wink]

Icepirate you don't get it, which I find ironic since you claim your an instructor. Just so you know you did not make me mad nor do I have anything against you I am just speaking my mind that is all.

I agree with foxtrot 100% that I would much rather be around somebody that treats a gun as it should be. Then to be around some idiot that thinks because he has snap caps the gun is safe, That sir is what causes stupidity and the end result is somebody gets hurt.

It's a false sense of security that allows for people to feel they can not follow the basic firearm saftey rules that we are all taught. Funny how it is always the gun that is "unloaded" that gets somebody killed by accident. Do you remember these rules by chance??

1. ALWAYS treat every gun as if it is loaded.

2. NEVER point a gun at anything you do not wish to destroy. (This is the same thing as ALWAYS keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction).

3. NEVER put your finger on the trigger unless you intened to fire the weapon.

Seems to me that if those basic simple rules are followed there would never be some moron cop shoot himself in the leg while doing a demo. Once again if he would have followed a few simple rules it would have made no damn difference if it was loaded or not. Snap caps can not cure stupidity period.

In the case of your freind I never seen the man act in an unsafe manner. He practiced perfect gun saftey and I still do not get your point. BFD he used live rounds SO WHAT he did a great job of teaching people and made it simple.