The Ban Stands

[Mazin]

Its going to be interesting to see how long it takes for Obumer to speak out on this.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/17...m-ban-on-gays/

[TEAMRICO]

"They've chosen to teach division and intolerance."

Gee, that isn't the pot calling the kettle black!

Liberals are on big hypocrisy!

I don't have any right to be teaching my Cub Scouts anything about Religion, Sexual Orientation etc. That is the job of the PARENTS! I teach them skills, patriotism and TEAMWORK!!!!
Im getting tired of this crap!

[speedysst]

Well, Im glad they stood their ground. Between the gays and the anarchists pressuring everyone to think like they do, they are no better than any religion that does the same thing.

[Ronin13]

Good for them. This is a touchy subject. On the one hand, my uncle was gay so I am not intolerant of the gay community. But on the other hand, it's not my thing, I prefer not to be exposed constantly to their flamboyance (I can tolerate them but that shit is annoying!), and I'm sick of their agenda getting shoved into everyone's faces, living rooms, and lives. Good for you that you live your life on your terms, I don't go out exclaiming to everyone that I'm an avid shooter, or that I'm here and I love boobs, or what have you. So I'm glad that the boy scouts can be that one area where they won't invade and push their agenda on people who really are too young to give a crap.

[Rucker61]

. So I'm glad that the boy scouts can be that one area where they won't invade and push their agenda on people who really are too young to give a crap.

Not that you'll see this, but what is their agenda" that justifies exclusions as leaders in the scouts?

[Ronin13]

Not that you'll see this, but what is their agenda" that justifies exclusions as leaders in the scouts?

Teaching children all that stuff about "gay is okay" and similar, when it comes to moral standards and sexuality, that should be family, not society that introduces and informs children.

[Rucker61]

Teaching children all that stuff about "gay is okay" and similar, when it comes to moral standards and sexuality, that should be family, not society that introduces and informs children.

Not sure I totally agree, but I can certainly see your point and willingly accept your position as valid as mine. Do gay scout leaders spend that much time teaching moral standards or do they just teach scout stuff?

That said, I don't agree with the BSA position but it certainly is their right to hold to it.

[HBARleatherneck]

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[Aloha_Shooter]

Not that you'll see this, but what is their agenda" that justifies exclusions as leaders in the scouts?

Why do they need an agenda? Or for that matter, why should they have to justify it to you?

Having said that, BSA has been placed in a no-win situation for years because pro-gay forces want to force them to accept homosexual leaders but they've had to pay millions out because of predatory attacks by homosexual pedophiles. Note the use here is talking about pedophiles who are homosexuals, NOT (as often claimed by the left) equating homosexuality with pedophilia.

The Portland council recently had to pay $15M over one of these cases. My guess is they tried to strike a balance by keeping notes on registered Scouters who were "suspect" but tried to keep the notes private so as not to hurt anyone with unproven allegations -- but the sheer fact they kept notes and didn't warn people (including the eventual victim) was used against them.

Good for BSA National for once -- as a long time Scouter, I was afraid this big review would be used to by guys like Stephenson to push a change in policy to meet the demands of the politically correct.

I don't see why the homosexual and atheist activitists don't just create a Gay and Atheist Youth organization of their own instead of continually harassing the BSA -- except that I believe those activists are more interested in legitimizing and promoting their own lifestyles and beliefs than in actually helping kids.

[Rucker61]

Why do they need an agenda? Or for that matter, why should they have to justify it to you?

In context, the reference was to the gay agenda in Ronin's comments

Having said that, BSA has been placed in a no-win situation for years because pro-gay forces want to force them to accept homosexual leaders but they've had to pay millions out because of predatory attacks by homosexual pedophiles. Note the use here is talking about pedophiles who are homosexuals, NOT (as often claimed by the left) equating homosexuality with pedophilia.

So what you're saying is the BSA doesn't want leaders who are pedophiles that prey on boys, so we should keep out all gay men as leaders, regardless? Just to be safe? What about those men who like grown women and young boys? Are they heterosexual or pedophilic homosexual? Sandusky was a long time practicing heterosexual; how good of a scout leader would he have made.

How does banning openly gay leaders protect children? I'd think an openly gay leader would be under enough scrutiny to prevent any incidents. A rule, and the BSA as a private organization is legally in the right, might keep openly gay men who are comfortable in their adult sexuality out of the Scouts but it won't keep secret pedophiles out.

I don't see why the homosexual and atheist activitists don't just create a Gay and Atheist Youth organization of their own instead of continually harassing the BSA

Separate but equal, eh; where have I heard that before?

-- except that I believe those activists are more interested in legitimizing and promoting their own lifestyles and beliefs than in actually helping kids.

Scouting is good for kids. I'm all for it. I'm curious about your last sentence: are you claiming that atheism and homosexuality are not legitimate lifestyles?