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    Quote Originally Posted by Byte Stryke View Post
    +1 for my Fellow Sheep-Dog
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    Thanks for saying your piece Tinelement. There's a lot of guys here that whole heartedly agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinelement View Post
    I call BS.

    I have stayed away from this whole thread, only because I think it took some wrong turns.

    If I'm CCW and in the back row, I agree. If I'm CCW and within 20 ft., I'm drawing. Now granted that is going to take into account multiple considerations. Family first, can I draw, do I have a shot, I have a shot, are my wife and kids safe if I have a shot, I have have a shot, is the shot clear of innocents.....

    I don't care if I'm rockin 9 or 45, if I can shoot I'm going. You seriously can't tell me that 5 rounds of 9mm into a vest ain't gonna eff some ribs up.

    And as most have said, if there was more CCW and we all took action, now he's facing multiple rounds from different directions. He's screwed. Even if all it does is knock him on his ass. Now take control.

    You didn't take your CCW class and get your permit to run.

    Protect you, your family, and each other.

    All I'm saying here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Byte Stryke View Post
    +1 for my Fellow Sheep-Dog
    +2 but I hate the sheep dog thing, not the concept but NutnFancy drives me crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinelement View Post
    I call BS.
    If I'm CCW and in the back row, I agree. If I'm CCW and within 20 ft., I'm drawing. Now granted that is going to take into account multiple considerations. Family first, can I draw, do I have a shot, I have a shot, are my wife and kids safe if I have a shot, I have have a shot, is the shot clear of innocents.....
    I don't care if I'm rockin 9 or 45, if I can shoot I'm going. You seriously can't tell me that 5 rounds of 9mm into a vest ain't gonna eff some ribs up.
    And as most have said, if there was more CCW and we all took action, now he's facing multiple rounds from different directions. He's screwed. Even if all it does is knock him on his ass. Now take control.
    You didn't take your CCW class and get your permit to run.
    Protect you, your family, and each other.
    All I'm saying here.
    I have basically said the same to a few members here, but also added:
    "what kind of tear gas was it that this low life used ? Was some weak water home brew tear gas or some real Military/LEO CS gas ?"
    I think I recall you talking about being former military, so do you recall basic ? And coming out of the CS exposure chamber ? ( or do they still do that ?) Do you think that you could have effectively fired a CCW weapon even at 20 feet then ? Whithout hitting more innocent movie goers that are scattering and panicing to all directions of the compass ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinelement View Post
    I call BS.

    I have stayed away from this whole thread, only because I think it took some wrong turns.

    If I'm CCW and in the back row, I agree. If I'm CCW and within 20 ft., I'm drawing. Now granted that is going to take into account multiple considerations. Family first, can I draw, do I have a shot, I have a shot, are my wife and kids safe if I have a shot, I have have a shot, is the shot clear of innocents.....

    I don't care if I'm rockin 9 or 45, if I can shoot I'm going. You seriously can't tell me that 5 rounds of 9mm into a vest ain't gonna eff some ribs up.

    And as most have said, if there was more CCW and we all took action, now he's facing multiple rounds from different directions. He's screwed. Even if all it does is knock him on his ass. Now take control.

    You didn't take your CCW class and get your permit to run.

    Protect you, your family, and each other.

    All I'm saying here.
    Totally agree...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinelement View Post
    If I'm CCW and in the back row, I agree. If I'm CCW and within 20 ft., I'm drawing. Now granted that is going to take into account multiple considerations. Family first, can I draw, do I have a shot, I have a shot, are my wife and kids safe if I have a shot, I have have a shot, is the shot clear of innocents.....

    Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrestler034 View Post
    +2 but I hate the sheep dog thing, not the concept but NutnFancy drives me crazy.
    If it makes you feel better, NutnFancy didn't come up with it. He just rambles about it a lot.

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    Are we even certian it was tear gasor smoke canisters? Has there been a statement made by officials? because I have seen references to both.


    Oh, and I agree with tinelement

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    Quote Originally Posted by SideShow Bob View Post
    I have basically said the same to a few members here, but also added:
    "what kind of tear gas was it that this low life used ? Was some weak water home brew tear gas or some real Military/LEO CS gas ?"
    I think I recall you talking about being former military, so do you recall basic ? And coming out of the CS exposure chamber ? ( or do they still do that ?) Do you think that you could have effectively fired a CCW weapon even at 20 feet then ? Whithout hitting more innocent movie goers that are scattering and panicing to all directions of the compass ?
    Very true... and as recent as '06 they were doing the chamber- which was hell, but I do remember, even in a closed environment with heavy saturation I felt that I was still 40% combat effective, but that was a room about the size of my dining room, this is a large auditorium. I think it would depend on where it was being dispersed from in relation to my position and several other factors. Remember, besides environmental factors like gas or lighting (the movie was still playing during all this), there is quite a bit of stress under sustained fire and you never know how you'll react until you actually experience it- which I pray none of us ever have to (especially those who have already).
    Quote Originally Posted by dwalker460 View Post
    Are we even certian it was tear gasor smoke canisters? Has there been a statement made by officials? because I have seen references to both.


    Oh, and I agree with tinelement
    This is a great question... I also agree with tinelement.
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    Holy shit...64 pages..

    All I have to say.

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